To be Worried About How Bad The Atmosphere In The Uk Will Be In The Event Of A No Vote?

[CalamityClara]

The tension between the yes and no parties is awful. Campaigners from both sides are behaving in a very aggressive manner and I've even heard the odd report of people getting into physical altercations If the result of the referendum is no I fear Scotland is going to descend into chaos, things aren't just going to settle back down. How can we ever come back from this? I honestly fear there is going to be violence.

If there is trouble in Scotland after vote can see larger exodus to England to get away from the atmosphere. What a shame!

Is an Old Firm game a good or appropriate benchmark though?!

I think that what we are seeing is more insidious - friends, neighbours and families coming to verbal blows with tension and bitterness (that will be here for a long time) as opposed to riots.

Personally, I think Salmond should be arrested and charged with treason; attempt to undermine the State.

Goblin the Scottish people elected, through due democratic process, the SNP to a majority in the Scottish Parliament in the full understanding that it would lead to a referendum. A referendum which the term of were then fully agreed to be the UK government. Who, I might add are fully participating in the whole process.

This is democracy in action. You might not like it but it is in no way 'undermining the state'.

Watch just about any news broadcast for examples of where the populous are living with those who truly undermine the state and your cheeks should burn with shamed or making such an ill judged incendiary post.

Goblins post made me so cross I've missed out a few words in my first paragraph but no doubt you get my meaning.

We knew there was going to be a referendum. What we didn't know was that he was going to take us down that route with so few details re how the SNP proposed to run an inde Scotland. How many pages of a White Paper was there, and how many pages of actual figures? The man's a liar, a fantasist, and nothing more than a vainglorious Councillor.

That being said, I don't believe there are grounds for treason. Unfortunately.

I live in glasgow and don't believe there will be any 'riots' regardless of what the outcome is. I for one, would be very saddened and disappointed if the NO won and I will be voting YES on the 18th.

I think comments like 'some women are taken in' etc are rude and ignorant and imply we can't make informed decisions on our own.

The comments I have read from the likes of the viewers comments on the daily fail are disgusting towards Scotland, however I accept there will be idiots on both sides.

This is about Scotland hating England or vice versa. This is about Scotland wanting the powers to run our OWN country. What is so wrong about that?

Isn't!

I do worry that with it looking like a very close result that whether it's a yes or a no there will be huge problems...I'm not expecting riots on the 19th, but half the country are going to be very very unhappy.

In many recent UK elections more than 50% of the population have been disappointed. Didn't see a lot of whole scale rioting then.

Kissmyfatarse, didn't you realise it all went downhill after those feeble, weak willed and easily taken in women got the vote...

If it is a No I hope Scotland can then put behind the chippiness it can have towards England. Be ok about future Wm. Tory governments and no more using England as the big bad villain bullying and patronising. Moaning at not getting taken seriously or getting a fair share with all the wealth being centered down in the SE.

Maybe England will sit up and realise Scotland plays an important role in the Uk and not be patronising and belittling with the message they often give out that Scotland is a drain rather than an asset to the UK .

But, Bambambini, you are making the classic mistake, made by the Nationalists of talking about "Scotland" as if we are all one. I am not chippy about England. I have voted conservative. I am usually pretty OK with the government as, fortunately, we do not have the extremes of left or right wing that they have in other countries. They are all fairly centrist.

You are talking about the Nationalists and their view. Their view does not reflect "Scotland" or even "The People of Scotland" as we are increasingly referred to by Salmond.

Does Nigel Farage speak for "Team England" or "the English"? Does David Cameron?

It reflects the Scotland and the people I grew up with. I know that not every scot will feel the same. I would say the majority of scots do have an issue with being ruled by a Tory government - I don't think I'm making a mistake with that presumption.

I think you are making a mistake and I also think you are forgetting that not everyone up here is a Scot. I am surrounded by No voters who are English, Scottish, German, French and Canadian. Most of the Yes voters seem to be very, very vocal so you can't ignore their whingeing about Westminster.

My DH (I didn't live in Scotland at the time) voted AGAINST devolution, is against devo max, a No voter and very, very Scottish. He pretends to be a Liberal but he is a 19th Century Liberal (AKA a Conservative).

Every time I hear that Tory line being trotted out, it annoys me.

In the 2010 General Election the Tories did not get many fewer votes than the SNP but FPTP meant one MP rather than, I think, 6. Ruth Davidson is very popular with many as well.

I am voting no and I know no one who has posted anything on facebook which makes me think everyone I know is probably voting no too.

I don't believe their will be riots but the atmosphere will be awful.

As for the childcare I am calling BS of it. People already can't access their free hours for 3 year olds because councils don't provide enough spaces for nurseries suitable for working parents. Glasgow council is saving a fortune by only funding places in nurseries with school hours. Unless I see that the funding follows the child then I know that in reality it won't really affect my childcare bill.

Indy that's true, who gave us insignificant 'wimmim' the vote.

I shall retreat to my kitchen

We would LOVE yo move in the event of a yes vote. DH is English so half our family is in England. Unfortunately we won't be able to sell our house.

Rose - are you saying that the Tories and the Eton SE influenced Wm government are generally popular in Scotland?

No, I am not saying that. I just think this idea that we are all one is ridiculous. We are all different and have different views. Those who shout the loudest (the Yes campaign) are using that point of view to sway Labour voters.

But they will say anything to get what they want. Interesting post on another thread linking to a book by Mike Russell, current Education Secretary, advocating mass NHS privatisation. Were this popular, he would be at the heart of the campaign - he is awfully quiet.

"But, Bambambini, you are making the classic mistake, made by the Nationalists of talking about "Scotland" as if we are all one. I am not chippy about England. I have voted conservative. I am usually pretty OK with the government as, fortunately, we do not have the extremes of left or right wing that they have in other countries. They are all fairly centrist.

You are talking about the Nationalists and their view. Their view does not reflect "Scotland" or even "The People of Scotland" as we are increasingly referred to by Salmond. "

I am not talking about the nationalists and their view. I am talking about the feeling, speech and attitude I grew up amongst - you know something I experienced. Of course not everyone in Scotland is Scottish, but the majority are. Of course there are some Tory voters but the majority don't vote Tory. My view and opinion of the atmosphere I grew up in might have been specific to my area and demographic but that is what I experienced.

I was surprised when I moved south that the English had a thing about the French, similar to the thing the scots have about the English. It was something that stood out and made me notice and I was surprised as I had never experienced this anti French feeling (jokey or not) growing up in Scotland.

I think it is a real shame that we are having a Yes / No vote rather than Yes / Devo max / No

That way there would have been joint proposals for the devo max option (between at least some of the parties), and it would have given some a chance to vote for a real 'no' rather than the current voting choice which is some unknown change as part of UK, OR some other unknown change as a independent country.

And if the majority had voted for more devolution then everyone would have been equally happy, or maybe equally unhappy.

I don't think there will be rioting in the streets but I do think that there has been some poor behaviour on both sides of the argument and on both sides of the border - and that is sad.

But that's my point isn't it. The Union splitting affects all of us. By the Scots only getting the vote, they are controlling other countries, i.e. the people in Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

HesterShaw, what exactly do you think the rest of the UK should do about it if Scotland wants to leave the Union? Hold them in against their will?

Here's a metaphor: I am happy in my relationship. If my husband turned around one day and said he was deciding whether or not to leave me and get a divorce, I wouldn't actually get a vote in his decision. Even though the decision would affect me in a big way. I could try to persuade him to stay, or tell him how awful it would be if we split, but at the end of the day, (short of tying him to a chair) it would be his choice. The only thing I would have some say in is the divorce settlements.

It's the same with Scotland. If it does decide for independence, the only thing the rest of the UK can do is determine the relations between the country from that point on. I do agree with everyone that it is a tough situation because so many people are going to be upset whatever happens.

"In many recent UK elections more than 50% of the population have been disappointed. Didn't see a lot of whole scale rioting then."

They weren't divided over a single issue though...like I said, I'm not expecting riots at the result, but I do think if it is as close a result as the polls suggest that the atmosphere will be pretty bad for quite a long time.