To be Worried About How Bad The Atmosphere In The Uk Will Be In The Event Of A No Vote?

[CalamityClara]

The tension between the yes and no parties is awful. Campaigners from both sides are behaving in a very aggressive manner and I've even heard the odd report of people getting into physical altercations If the result of the referendum is no I fear Scotland is going to descend into chaos, things aren't just going to settle back down. How can we ever come back from this? I honestly fear there is going to be violence.

I'm pleased for you then TheBogQueen. That would give me great hope if my own experiences were not different.

So do you want to be able to control another country?

But that's my point isn't it. The Union splitting affects all of us. By the Scots only getting the vote, they are controlling other countries, i.e. the people in Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

I think you are making assumptions about the kind of person I am. I wasn't born in England and have only lived in England half my life.

Grovel I'm in the Republic of Ireland. Most people here would have a vague anti English sentiment in most areas - sport etc. It's difficult to explain but in most cases it's not even a nasty thing, it's kind of traditional. Although obviously there are many that are extreme in their views and there are others that don't have any view. But in general, put it this way, if England were playing virtually any country in the world in any sport, the Irish would be cheering for the other country.

Hence the support for Scottish independence. But it's more in a Braveheart kind of way than an analytical informed view.

I think that anything less than a 60/40 split should go for referendum again in 10 years time rather than decide the fate now - you wouldn't have a government on a 50/50 split hence the government we have now - and this is moe than just a general election with the consequences of the decision. I think any vote which results in the yes vote having up to 59% of the vote should lead to greater devolution but still go to a referendum in 10 more years - so if a will is def there towards splitting but not enough to make the split further devolution could build Scotland in the direction of what a small majority have said they want - if it works and confidence is higher they may get the decision to split with a more convincing majority. If the no vote gets up to 59% then situation stays as is and again referendum in 10 years.

I am Scottish born, I lived in Scotland for 36 years then moved to another part of the U.K. (not England) I am denied a say in the future the country I come from. Scotland is my heritage and I have no say in it's future which I think is a disgrace,I sincerely hope it is a NO outcome as I think we are better united than divided as a nation

I don't recognise these reports of animosity, I've not seen it. DH is a manual worker and says his workplace is split down the middle. They haven't been fighting about it. I know and love people with both views, including quite a few English 'yes' voters. Most people I know though, I couldn't tell you what they'll be voting because I haven't asked them and they've not told me. There'll be more than the usual drunken violence on the night no doubt but I'll be really surprised if any form of proper civil unrest.

Dinnae fash yerselves folks, really.

SirChenjin In the meantime, DH will be structuring our finances to minimise the amount we pay to a Scottish Govt in taxes.

Any tips?

Sp1rals, I'm sorry to say you can only speak for the republic or Ireland , I live in the North and most people here are hoping for a NO vote, I also have a brother living in the south and he's also a no person

That's interesting fedupworking. I wonder if you identify as Irish, English or Northern Irish? Broad strokes I know but it seems I can't see many Irish in the north supporting the union.

I hope I am wrong, but I do fear the reaction of a minority of violent thugs in the event of a No vote......

Sorry, I meant irish, British or Northern irish.

fedup same here, I'm in NI and everyone I know is quite worried about the prospect of a yes vote.

Sp1rals, Scottish then British when asked

What I want to know is why is Better Together better for England. I can see why it is better for Scotland - I would be voting No to independence if I lived in Scotland.

The yes/no split across the group of people I know has nothing to do nationality - some of the most ardent "yes" supporters I know are English. The split I'm experiencing is between public and private sector workers - the former in the "yes" camp and the latter "no".

What I want to know is why is Better Together better for England. I can see why it is better for Scotland - I would be voting No to independence if I lived in Scotland. Well it's obvious. The English don't want to lose Andy Murray.

That's a joke btw.

As for the rest of the country, I was born in Wales to English parents, now living in England because of love, work and chance. But I fear for the status of Wales and NI if Scotland goes. Wales has quite a shaky identity in some ways, certainly not in Wales itself, but the habit of some English to refer too England when they mean Britain will get worse I think. A lot of them think Wales is an unimportant little region tacked on to England. And abroad it will be worse too. And what will the UK/Britain even mean if Scotland goes? The UK refers to the Union of the two kingdoms - Wales and NI never had a king/queen. Britain won't fit either, because the name Britain refers to the whole island.

Just musing really.

I read in the Cornishman this week that there may be calls for an Assembly here if there's a yes result. I don't think that will happen at all, but it's an interesting notion.

So do you want to be able to control another country?

But that is what is happening. My country is the UK. 50.01% of Scottish voters around 2,000,000 have the power to destroy it.

I've been looking through FB and can see no nastiness. Nothing that mirrors what some have said here. A few comments and replies, some yes and no ads - but nothing nasty.

I have seen extreme nastiness from Yes campaigners.

Also, I find their posters and bullying shout everyone down behaviour very intimidating. They can't be argued with because they don't actually debate.

I am avoiding my staff room at school. Many others are No but we are all quiet about it (but having a secret gathering next week).

Extreme nastiness is a reflection on a person, not the side they fall on.

Agree with maddening.

It can be. But when that nastiness becomes a kind of mob behaviour that legitimises bad behaviour because everyone was doing it, I get scared.

Look at all the previously well behaved teenagers who got caught up in the London riots, stealing and smashing things. Their actions would have been unthinkable only 24 hours before but yet their blood was up and they got involved.

I've not seen any nastiness on FB but I only have one Yes voter on there, the No voters just seem to be sharing posts from Better Together and pointing out the gaping holes in the white paper.
As I am currently living outside the UK I haven't seen any of the campaigning though, I can only assume that the Yes campaign are doing much better job which wouldn't suprise me, Darling, Cameron et al are hardly charismatic and likely to appeal to undecided voters! I'll be back in Scotland tomorrow so I guess I'll have a better feeling for it then.
I really wish I'd put my flat up for sale when I could have a few months ago but I believed all those people who told me there was no chance of a Yes :-(
I also suspect there will be public disorder if not rioting in the few days after whichever way it goes and planning to be south of the border by then.

I was at a party last night with a 'No' Scotsman. He lives in England at the moment but has a house in Scotland and goes back and forth. He's just come back from a couple of weeks in Glasgow and he said that the atmosphere is already very tense and difficult. The Yes people are getting very, very shirty indeed with people who want to vote No. He said he reached a point where if the subject reared its head in conversation he'd just walk away because it was becoming impossible to have civil conversation with any Yes people without them getting really nasty and aggressive and flinging insults.

He said if the Yes people win he'll sell his house and leave for good.

I live and work in the centre of glasgow and have not witnessed any tension at all.

I have seen very earnest debate in Sauchiehall street and people demonstrating in Buchanan street and George square - all very peaceful.

Honestly if you think that in tense and difficult try an Old Firm game.