To be Worried About How Bad The Atmosphere In The Uk Will Be In The Event Of A No Vote?

[CalamityClara]

The tension between the yes and no parties is awful. Campaigners from both sides are behaving in a very aggressive manner and I've even heard the odd report of people getting into physical altercations If the result of the referendum is no I fear Scotland is going to descend into chaos, things aren't just going to settle back down. How can we ever come back from this? I honestly fear there is going to be violence.

Really - you'd move here if there was a Yes vote?? Why??! There's a lot of us planning to leave - shall we leave the door open?

Can I ask why Bran? What do you think will get better for people's standard of living after a Yes win, that isn't already the case?

I remember when Neil Kinnock thought he would win the General Election. It was thought that it was going to be a close vote. The triumphalism shown by him and the Labour Party on the news just before the election (and no doubt carefully edited) was a massive turn off. Politics is more about personality than I expect we'd like it to be and sadly, gut feelings about Cameron and Salmond will be crucial. Also, when people are in the privacy of the ballot box, lots vote with their purses. I think plenty of people will be swayed by news that big companies are planning to pull out etc.

I don't have an opinion either way. It's for the Scottish to decide but I'm glad I won't be living there after the results are announced. I think it'll be awful. Very sad.

I reckon you could get a a manor house for a song if it were a yes vote. Property prices will plummet if there is a yes vote with all the people who are planning to leave and only Bran going the other way.

londonrach ignore them, we luffs you really. Even if we vote Yes.

I'm really genuinely interested in where all the people planning to move are thinking of going?

Where in England/Wales/Ireland are you planning to settle?

Sidney, as an English person I suppose you could get a vote on whether England should leave or stay in the union. You'd have to campaign for a referendum though, like the Scots did.

You don't get a vote on whether scotland should leave or stay in the united kingdom because you're english, not Scottish.
Simples!

I think there will have to be a lot of listening and talking done in order that everyone in scotland can move forward with whatever the Scottish decide for themselves.

It will be absolutely fine, Scots are very keen on democracy.

It's quite normal to be heated while the debates going on but it's not going to erupt in anything.

Some people need to calm right down and stop frothing.

Yes or No, there won't be riots and it is highly, highly offensive to suggest that there will.

You also clearly know fuck all about Northern Ireland.

Honestly, get a grip and off Facebook which as usual appears to be the source of most of this nonsense.

ohmymimi

I'm dreading a 'Yes' outcome. Salmond will be a nightmare, pressing for every minute detail of detachment to be on the most favourable terms for Scotland, with no regard for the effect on the rest of the Union.

The problem there is that it will be 5+millions people looking for the best deal from 50+million people. The second Scotland becomes an independent country, then those left behind will also be seeking the best deal for themselves.

Also, if there is a Yes vote, I suggest we contact our MPs and ask how much less tax we'll be paying, since the No campaign have made such a big deal that Scotland gets more than it makes. Although for myself, I'd like to see this windfall put into public services.

What's that I hear you say ? No refund ? No rebate ? There's no extra money ? Why, it's almost as if the No campaign were lying ....

We said, sleepyhead

I'll be gutted if it's a yes, but if it is, it is, and we all pick up the pieces and move on. The problem is, we're all so inwardly fixated (of which I am very guilty) we lose perspective of the bigger issues e.g. The Middle East: the ramifications of what is going on there could have a significantly greater impact on the UK maybe?

But we all need to rise above the outcome, and just get on.

^well said^, not we said

There will be no windfall because breaking up the union will cost a lot of money. The transfer of systems will not be an easy thing for either side and the establishment of new institutions will take a lot if cash. The potential damage to the Pound could also wipe out any advantage to independence. If there is no such advantage we'll never know because we'll be paying for it for years to come.

@Sidney Er ... What exactly would we English be voting on? It's the Scots deciding what happens to their country!

I don't think it's helpful to claim that it's "highly, highly offensive" - people are genuinly concerned, and to dismiss that with "get a grip and get off FB" is just patronising. A bit like the boring claims of scaremongering.

@UsedtobeFeckless

If the vote is a Yes then I think the UK economy and the pound will take a hit. There will be uncertainty and instability just as we're coming out of the worse recession in ages (nice timing!) - not to mention what it will cost both sides to break up the Union.

Surely the rest of the UK would be interested in that? It is something that affects the rest of the UK, so why don't they get to vote on this? It isn't just "Scotland deciding what to do with their country".

HoppingGreen, "If they vote yes then as far as I'm concerned I have no more to do with Scotland than I do with France or Italy and would see them in the same light- a near neighbour but a foreign country.
If they vote no and are given concessions as a " thank you" then I will be pretty pissed off about that.
I say of they want independence then fine but they should accept that they are on their own and we shouldn't give them any help at all after transition.
If they don't join the EU then they should get LESS help and cooperation from us than France or Italy would."

Which seems to suggest that we will never get any help, or deserve any. ie, we will be punished for the referendum. I was merely pointing out that, when you are refusing to offer help you are doing that to people who didn't want this and voted against it.

Bear in mind (in the event of a 'Yes' vote) the rUK General Election next year. It will be interesting to see how the rUK parties set out their stalls on the negotiations. Will they compete to be the hardest to wringing the best deal out of Scotland? Or will there be votes in being more emollient and fostering good relations?

It's very likely the general election will be postponed by a year if the yes vote wins.

But unfortunately Rose - that's the reality of a Yes vote. We can't expect an inde Scotland to be shored up by the rUK - if the majority vote to go it along then we have to accept that we are truly on our own - which is why there is so much concern about our future if there was a Yes vote. This isn't a general election, there's no reunification in a few years if it doesn't work out, and the subsequent fallout affects us all for generation to come.

I live in Glasgow and just by going on how some of the people speak that I have spoken to, how quickly a conversation can turn in to a screaming match and FB posts, I think there will be riots and it will happen whatever way the vote goes.

I do wish our English friends would relax. I have probably an equal number of friends/relatives voting Yes and No. No-one in my circle "hates the English", no-one would condone violence or "riots".

I have beloved family members who are English by birth, I have many Yes-voting friends who are English by birth. This "anti-Englishness" is a convenient device for the papers down south, that's all. Many of us love parts of England and will continue to visit, whatever happens - I accept there is some "anti-Scottish" feeling too, but would that stop me? I'd assume that most English people have more sense, and I'd hope that English people coming here would feel the same way. There are fools everywhere, after all.

To any of you who really have FB friends who spout hatred, they ain't friends. They sound uneducated and vile. Why would you allow them space on your page?

I agree Schrosaw. Things are very heated. If i was approached and asked my vote I would say yes to avoid conflict.

I actually don't log on to Facebook now because the amount of passive aggressive crap on there is pissing me off. The thing I find strangest the loudest and most aggressive person on my feed is Scottish but doesn't get a vote and doesn't bloody live in Scotland so actually in the event a yes vote is passed she will not be directly affected.

My friend has been a friend for 33 years - we were best friends all through school. She is anything but uneducated, and is actually a lovely person - or had been until now. It's been both surprising and hurtful to see the level of vitriol and gloating, and I have now 'unfollowed' her. I don't think there will be any going back - and I suspect that's typical of so many friendships across Scotland sadly.

Not seen much on FB at all. A few fairly civil comments but nothing nasty. One new "friend" I was at school with does post a lot of ads and sound bite type posts which are sort of nationalistic and is very pro Yes in a way that would make me want to just vote No for the hell of it. I'll probably delete or hide her after next week.