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Indyref8

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grovel · 09/09/2014 17:36

ItsAllGoingToBeFine, but who will be Prime Minister? Pretty unsatisfactory changing halfway through. My suggestion was that maybe Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et al agree on a team and step back themselves. It would make the end result a joint enterprise and could prevent years of feuding in rUK.

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WhatWouldFreddieDo · 10/09/2014 08:51

Why would an iScotland need a Royal Mint, for example?

Hmm, can't think ... oh, perhaps to print money??

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 10/09/2014 08:52

I think it was once, way back on an earlier thread, weatherall, and it was quite rightly deleted by MNHQ.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 08:57

Hmm, can't think ... oh, perhaps to print money??

Scotland already gets its own nambk notes printed...

weatherall · 10/09/2014 08:58

IssyDee- you make a good point about he London property bubble.

Property prices in London have increased 35% since the peak in 2007. In Scotland they are the same, in much of the north of England they still haven't recovered.

How is the UK economy going to deal with this without hurting the Scottish economy?

Our polices are being driven by the London agenda rather than having policies that suit the needs of Scotland.

pettybetty · 10/09/2014 08:58

Thanks Freddie, I only got interested in this in the last couple of weeks so didn't know the background. It does seem that he (AS) was on a 1 track mission regardless of inconvenient truths.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 08:59

Well of course you would say that, it's not you or your supporters who have been called nazis repeatedly on these threads.

If anyone was really bored they could go back through the threads and tally up deletions...

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 10/09/2014 08:59

ItsAll - we might need some coins too though.

weatherall · 10/09/2014 08:59

Freddie- I've seen 'nazi' posts at least 3 times, by different posters.

I never saw a fellow no poster criticise such a post.

You will be judged by who you associate with.

EarthWindFire · 10/09/2014 09:03

You will be judged by who you associate with.

On a anonymous Internet forum.. Ok then Hmm

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 10/09/2014 09:03

Sorry, weatherall, but I have indeed criticised a poster who went down the Nazi route - but I'm not going to trawl back through to quote it for you. And I'm certainly not going to be judged just because someone on the same thread as me went too far.

I called them on it, as did others.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 10/09/2014 09:07

Actually the question of a Scottish Mint is an interesting one, as Bank of Scotland and RBS would no longer be based in Scotland. Would they continue to print our notes? Don't suppose anyone's thought to ask.

PhaedraIsMyName · 10/09/2014 09:08

I have not seen the level of vitriol from yes that has come from no

that's very funny. I certainly have with you and IrnBru being amongst its perpetrators.

SquattingNeville · 10/09/2014 09:08

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 09:09

ItsAll - we might need some coins too though.

"As well as minting coins for the UK, the Royal Mint also mints and exports coins to many other countries"
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Mint

prettybird · 10/09/2014 09:10

Just been looking at the results of the MN Poll - they make for interesting reading. 984 responses in the end so a decent number. (Sorry if it's been discussed already as these threads move so quickly and I missed most of "Indyref 7").

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/09/2014 09:10

Would they continue to print our notes?
They don't physically print the notes, it is contracted out.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 09:11

My supporters? What am I the entire no campaign?

You might want to look more closely
I criticised the nazi comments.

But then I'm apparently a selfish rich Bitch who doesn't care about or understand poverty, is only interested in me and mine and only cares about my pathetic job.

weatherall · 10/09/2014 09:11

It is not going to be a 'catestrophic sudden split'.

The proposed date is 18 months away which will most certainly be put back, mostly due to the uncertainty over the general election in May.

I see independence as a gradual move towards creating the kind if nation state we want.

The reason the white paper is do ambitious is because it is looking far into the future.

Of course ever possibility that independence allows will not be enacted within the first one or two parliaments.

The Scottish parliament has been going for 15 years and is still evolving and is still to use all it's powers.

I expect independent scotland to be the same. At first changes will be those which are essential to the running of a country ie the currency.

Policy is a different matter. Independence will allow all the parties in Scotland to create manifestos covering all public policy not just the narrow spree we have now. Then what policies will be enacted will depend on the outcome of future elections.

Yes the snp have an indication of what will be in their manifesto. But that is one party. There are several parties in Scotland who could be in coalitions in the near future.

I'm not voting based on the assumption that the snp will win the election in 2016 because that is wide open.

In 2016 Scottish people will have for the first time the ability to vote in an election where all the parties can suggest policies on all aspects of Scottish life. We can choose who to vote for and we will know that our vote will count.

That is democracy at work and that is what most people are voting yes for.

StatisticallyChallenged · 10/09/2014 09:13

Prettybird it was discussed,. Loads of us hadn't been aware it was running

PhaedraIsMyName · 10/09/2014 09:13

Anyway Weatherall I know it's late in the day now but do you have any comments on Salmond's deceitful attempt to pretend he had a legal opinion on the EU,

his deceitful attempt to prevent its disclosure as it was sensitive,

his deceitful attempt to challenge the freedom of information request which eventually forced him to admit there was no such opinion.

And you trust this man?

weatherall · 10/09/2014 09:13

Ok stat - you 'care about and understand poverty' - how will the union help those in poverty?

The no campaign has failed to answer this question. Do you know something they don't?

Roseformeplease · 10/09/2014 09:14

Quite a few new members arrived on the overnight ferry from Yes-land then?

weatherall · 10/09/2014 09:14

Phaedra-

Ok talking about liars and hiding things?

What comment do you have on the hiding of the McCrone Report?

oddcommentator · 10/09/2014 09:15

still no answer to my questions

Roseformeplease · 10/09/2014 09:17

Weatherall - the question you have asked has been repeatedly answered.

Money spent on benefits / housing / etc comes from tax receipts which come from people's pockets. Tax receipts will go down in the event of a Yes vote because Scotland will run at a greater deficit than it does as part of the UK. There will be less money all round. So, at the very worst, you get the status quo, at best you get a Labour government and a reversal of the policies of the current government (from your point of view, as a socialist).

If you vote Yes, you get a drastic cut in the money to spend and bail outs from the IMF who won't care about children going hungry or schools closing, they will just want theiur bailout money back FAST.

I am beginning to think that you have not been reading all the lengthy posts so many well informed people have written. Surely not?