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To believe that it will be a "no" vote in the majority on the 18th?

258 replies

Tabby1963 · 09/09/2014 16:41

My reasoning is that, although there appears (from media reports) to be increased enthusiasm for voting "yes" it is not the whole story (they're just shouting the loudest). The noes are the default; and therefore they don't have to say anything or do anything, just vote on the 18th.

My experience having chatted to neighbours, colleagues, friends is that the vast majority (more than 80%) are going to be voting no.

I'm hoping for a no vote, I care hugely about this country and fear the future if "yes" wins. I am certain that if "no" is the majority then I anticipate there will be big changes coming for Scotland, and devolution will continue slowly and carefully.

I totally sympathise with the notion that Scotland does not want the Tories to rule from Westminster and that only by voting for independence will that never happen again, but surely we have to look at the bigger picture here? There is so much at stake to base the future of Scotland and its inhabitants on this single issue?

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Idontseeanysontarans · 10/09/2014 10:04

I think it will be a 'no' win, because as much as a truly independent Scotland will appeal to many people now when reality hits and they have to actually cast a vote a fear of the unknown will get to them.
(I'm English of Scottish descent who would more than likely feel like that ^^ if I had a vote)

BigBoobiedBertha · 10/09/2014 10:06

I think WM are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they look like they are campaigning for a no vote they are said to be panicking. If they don't they look like they have given up and have written Scotland off or they are overwhelmed by the yes voters. The yes vote will twist it. Nobody says anything about the yes campaign upping their game and they aren't accused of panicking. They are closing the gap but for the reasons I said earlier on, if they don't get a more convincing lead than the one they have now, they are likely to lose. They must know that. They have as much reason to panic as the no campaign.

firstchoice · 10/09/2014 10:08

Yes are disproportionately vocal. (and destroying No signs where I live)

You have to be very brave to openly admit you want to vote no in my village. I have heard someone say they would 'brick' any window with a no poster in it. No one protested Sad

I think it will be a close call but I certainly hope people realise that to vote 'Yes' without proper costings and finance available for all the pipedreams would be irresponsible.

If there is a narrow No vote, then the Yes folks should go away, cost it properly and come back in a year or so and try again.

femin · 10/09/2014 10:10

It is the Westminster Government though who is flying the Saltire, and Cameron has cancelled PM Questions, so some of them can go up to Scotland today and campaign for the no vote.

They are panicking. They won't be panicking for no reason.

And no people don't necessarily go for the status quo. Remember when London elected Ken Livingstone as Mayor? I thought people would back out of doing that at the last minute, they didn't.

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/09/2014 10:18

I'll be voting Yes and I'd like to see an independent Scotland on the 19th. However, whatever the polls show now, I think some more recent Yes converts will, when faced with the actual ballot box, start thinking about things which BT have said will be negatively affected - like the economy, their job, the value of their house, interest rate rises, - and vote No after all. They may not admit it afterwards, and some of them may be questioning Yes now though outwardly saying that's how they definitely intend to vote.

femin · 10/09/2014 10:37

I would have said a week ago no, now I am edging towards a yes.

Nancy66 · 10/09/2014 10:53

at least 10% undecided. I still say the undecided will vote 'no.' if you've not been swayed by the 'yes' campaign this late in the day then I can't see a last minute switch.

femin · 10/09/2014 10:56

I am a last minute switch, well undecided up till now.

RonaldMcDonald · 10/09/2014 10:58

i just don't care

BardarbungaBardarbing · 10/09/2014 11:35

What's the tipping factor femin?

femin · 10/09/2014 11:49

Seeing the Westminster Government panicking has made a big impression on me. I guess up till now I never thought it would happen.

I do worry about the economic side, but we are never going to have all the answers in terms of economics. I also like the fact that Scotland are unlikely to ever have a Tory Government again.

But the tipping point is the Westminster Government panicking.

KissMyFatArse · 10/09/2014 11:55

I will be voting yes Smile

BardarbungaBardarbing · 10/09/2014 12:06

But if their panic is because they see a poorer future (And I don't mean pounds and pence) for both parts of a broken union?

Esmum07 · 10/09/2014 12:11

Where DH works (he commutes to Scotland for a few days each week), they logged into a website where you can anonymously 'vote' and then checked the outcome. Of 132 people in the building only two voted yes. He is in Aberdeen so that may change the outcome as many people there live in Scotland but are not Scots.

Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 10/09/2014 12:16

I think more and more it will be a Yes vote.

People have been registering to vote in record numbers and most of them are doing so in order to vote Yes. I have spoken to a large number of people who have never voted before and are all voting Yes.

Most of these people aren't included in polls, they are new to the electoral register and are therefore unlikely to be contacted for polls, and indeed may be reluctant to be polled given that they are not regular voters.

I have to say I don't know a single No voter apart from people on Mumsnet, literally everyone I know in RL is voting Yes.

My sister is a Yes supporter and has been canvassing votes, she has noticed the Yes responses are increasing and the No's are decreasing. Last night of the people happy to tell her their intentions, 12 were yes, 4 no and 3 undecided.

It is really too close to call though, a swing either way of a few points would give either side victory.

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/09/2014 12:58

"I have to say I don't know a single No voter apart from people on Mumsnet, literally everyone I know in RL is voting Yes."

I agree with this, and I suppose it's what makes me optimistic for a Yes vote. Everyone I speak to is a Yes, really. However, I'm also conscious that this may be more about who you choose to surround yourself with and what you do for a living rather than an accurate representation. I live in the Central Belt, and don't know what the word on the street is in Wester Ross or on Harris. When I lived in London, I didn't know a single Tory voter in real life, or anybody who thought welfare was too generous, or anybody who thought immigration was too high etc. As a Guardian-reading lefty working in social policy and within the third sector, people who thought otherwise weren't likely to be on my social radar though.

I genuinely don't think it's going to be a vast majority either way, which is going to rock the boat a bit regardless of the outcome.

femin · 10/09/2014 13:02

The only people I know voting no, are English or Irish people living in Scotland. But I think it will be very close

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/09/2014 13:06

This is what I think makes it so interesting, femin - I'm English (London born and bred, and would always describe myself as British) and a Yes voter, knew I'd be voting Yes right from the start. I know a couple of dozen other English-born people closely (friends and colleagues) and there's only one No voter among us!

BardarbungaBardarbing · 10/09/2014 13:07

As an English person in Scotland, albeit a gentle, fuzzy non-threatening type Wink I am asking individuals (Scots born) about it and a fair few give me a quiet "no" usually followed by hand signals!!

Maybe they are double bluffing, but maybe they see me as a safe confidante?[confused} Who knows? It's close.

femin · 10/09/2014 13:08

I would love to see some statistical information about who voted yes or no, after the vote. It would be really interesting to know who voted which way.

flippinada · 10/09/2014 13:09

See this "everyone I know is voting yes", or "I've been out canvassing and the yeses are increasing " thing - a lot of folk I've talked to have said they don't want to say they are voting no because of the hassle they get.

I've seen comments like Scotland for the Scottish , I'm not British I'm Scottish, ac the worst... a everyone who votes no can fuck off to England.

I'm finding it all pretty unpleasant tbh. Either people genuinely don't get how this seems to am English person living up here or they do get it and don't give a shit.

I know not all yes voters, have this mindset, I'm sure most don't, but seeing it in action is bloody scary.

BardarbungaBardarbing · 10/09/2014 13:09

god no femin that's quite worrying..

FreudiansSlipper · 10/09/2014 13:14

my friend is Scottish but lives in London so can not vote all her family and friends are voting Yes

they are getting rather annoyed with the negative No campaign this apparently is making those not sure sway more towards to Yes vote

I have no idea what is best, of course the Yes vote will bring about changes that will bring about difficulties takes time to adjust. It is very exciting times and I hope this leads to other changes or for us to look at what is right for England in 2014

flippinada · 10/09/2014 13:19

Definitely think it's going to be very close either way.

ComtesseDeSpair · 10/09/2014 13:25

All the Scots I know disassociate themselves with that sort of sentiment, flippinada, and think it's unacceptable. I've not yet had anybody tell me I ought to go home or degenerate my Englishness (except for a drunk bloke in Oran Mor on Byres Road in Glasgow who informed me that he thinks English people are timid and he doesn't like timid people! He was trying to chat me up in a roundabout and unsuccessful way, though, so we'll not count him.) I don't know where you live, but again, maybe it's hugely different in the Central Belt to the Highlands or Dumfriesshire - and different even in Glasgow and its surrounds than in Edinburgh.

However, you've reminded me of a radio broadcast I listened to about a year ago where various academics and media people were bemoaning how most top jobs in culture and the arts in Scotland are held by English people. And regardless of anything else, it got me thinking: are they "English people"? Or are they people who live in Scotland who happen to have been born in England and have English accents? Will I live, work, pay taxes and contribute here for 25 years and still find myself being criticised as another English person holding a top job just because I speak with a particular accent?

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