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This article by Carol Craig is really interesting and chimes a lot with how I feel.

www.scottishreview.net/CarolCraig172.shtml?utm_source=Sign-Up.to&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=8427-325714-How+London+may+try+to+strangle+the+infant+nation+at+birth

Some one once said (not from these shores) that being born British was to win the lottery of life.

Not English, Welsh, NI or Scots. British.

I am British - I am proud to have a British Passport. i travel an awful awful lot and as I fly back over these Islands - i look out the window and see the mountains, the green and the small towns and think - there is nowhere, nowhere on Earth quite so varied, so green, so unique and so utterly utterly British. I then hoik my British passport out of my bag and think - is it that broken? You want to tear apart hundreds of years, generations to do what exactly?

No - I would rather make this house, our home, better, stronger with us all than by moving into the shed, and a metaphoric - 'that'l show em,".

Scotland will be missed, I will miss it - i will have to leave for my work and that saddens me.

A while ago, it was late last night I said that we would be throwing away our birthright for a mess of pottage. Forget the economic downsides - they are huge. This is about family. And i don't want my family broken up because of a mid life crisis.

Lady C

"IrnBru there are poorly educated and intolerant people throughout the UK and Scotland has at least it's fair share of those."

We all make typos when we post especially on fast moving threads like these but if you make a post about the uneducated you might want to check it for rogue apostrophes.

mrscurly great article

Won't a no vote with a very fine margin allow this to rumble on to an inevitable conclusion ?

oddcommentator, nice post.

odd

To call people "dim" because they believe Alex Salmond is horrible.

mrsCurly

I'm really disappointed by that article.

I've read a couple of her books and found she was making a strong case for Scottish independence.

It is quite unusual for someone to shift from yes to no.

Angus Robertson was really going for it on BBC Radio Scotland five minutes ago. Long story short: Westminster are cacking themselves at the Yes momentum.

Funnily enough my YES-voting friend told me yesterday that "she wasn't stupid enough to believe anything Alex Salmond says".

Westminster are cacking themselves at the Yes momentum.

And in other news, the sun sets in the west.

Yes, I hear that irn, sneering at its best.

Unintended consequences: the people of the rUK will feel like scorned spouses and we know what irrational behaviour that can generate! This could have a significant impact on Jobs and Trade.

1. As a foreign country, the 1M Scots jobs dependent on English-based companies would be especially vulnerable. Similarly, the opportunities for Scots to take up jobs/promotions in England (there are currently 800,000 living and working there) would be severely reduced. Separation could restrict our childrens' aspirations for generations to come.

2. 60% of Scottish Exports go to England, principally Food & Drink. These are currently regarded as 'British' and find a ready market with English consumers. In the event of separation, the latter are likely to be develop a greater taste for Norwegian Salmon, French Mineral Water, NZ Lamb, etc rather than buy anything Scottish. This could be disastrous for our fledging economy, given that it's so dependent on this sector & the unpredictable Oil industry.

I'm tired of being sneered at. Some of the posters on here are so condescending and patronising it's making my skin crawl.

Anyone in Scotland got a feel for how their family, friends and neighbours are voting? Do you think the latest polls showing a photo-finish reflect your own communities and networks?

Picking up on grammar mistakes on any thread isn't worth mentioning, tbh. We all make mistakes when we're manically typing to keep up with threads (especially this one as it's so fast paced!!). Best to keep the topic at hand.

Hippity- we already have high tax rates. My argument is not to increase the total tax burden but to see that the wealth is shared more fairly.

My DCs benefitted from some free childcare hours that did save me a noticeable amount of money.

This amount is getting extended anyway. I don't see how the proposal to gradually keep increasing it over the next 10 years isn't realistic.

In the long term childcare more than pays for itself as it keeps women in jobs they are qualified for which they will pay more tax instead of 'mummy track' part time jobs below the tax threshold.

Nice to see that not only do you have no faith in the people of Scotland, you think the people of England (what about the rest of the UK) will boycott Scottish food, you think they are that narrow minded?

The fact that you even think it's worth typing that 'consequence' out bamboozles me. Are you that scared?

DH voting Yes, I'm voting Yes, DB voting Yes, DBIL and his DW are voting Yes, DSiL is voting Yes, and my own parents have went from undecided to Yes only a few days ago. I know very few people voting No IRL.

My cousin and her DH are voting No, but he works in the FS in Glasgow so that will explain that. He has been told if it's a Yes majority on 19th he's not to bother coming in because there won't be a job for him any more in Scotland. Total scaremongering. He hasn't even had it writing to state this.

Lady C don't make up lies about me.

I have absolutely not said I want to see vat increased or the minimum wage decreased.

You must be confusing me with someone else.

Are you capable of having a debate without defaming other posters?

Edam, through friends, Facebook, colleagues ext my circle would appear to be 70% yes 30% no (maybe a couple of undecideds).

That sill be off course because NO voters are to scared to put up a poster. Where has that even came from by the way? It's like people enjoy being scared of something that hasn't happened.

Lovley

the yes voters are accused of being 'dim' etc - I think the no voters mean 'tricked' or 'deceived'

the no voters are accused of acting out of self-interest and patronising.

Let's all of us try to stick to the important points of discussion. I agree with your last post btw IrnBru.

I'm afraid those were both on your list posted at 19:57 last night.

"raising VAT
-no £500 fee to take discriminatory dismissal to tribunal
-no increase of minimum wage to a living wage"

You said it.

Weather - please - help me out here

How do you not increase the total tax burden, and, share wealth more fairly.

Do you mean more IHT, IT, CGT? perhaps a mansion tax - because for all of these to work you need to tax the richest - this will increase the overall tax burden.

You mentioned up thread you did 4 years of economics. When doing Macro did you cover the Laffer Curve? When doing International - did you cover the issues of an OCA? because you must be cherry picking from it.