Indyref 6

[StatisticallyChallenged]

Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

statisticallychallenged - It's completely understandable. Murdoch is a Tory. The Tories will benefit from Scotland leaving the union.

Murdoch is simply getting his revenge at being held to account by the Westminster establishment for the scandals at his papers.

I confidently predict that on the day before the referendum the Scottish Sun will scream "YES!"

"It was the Sun wot won it."

Must go now. G'night all.

I hope that the vote will be no and WM will take notice of the fact that so many of the Scottish electorate are so unhappy with it they are prepared to take the massive risk of leaving the UK.

Given that the Scottish referendum has got everyone more engaged in politics - well, with this particular issue anyway, but I know I've become more knowledgeable about many aspects of british politics through researching the question of independence - hopefully the referendum on membership of EU will engage the UK electorate more in politics too.

Oh and IrnBru do please enlighten me if I had taken a French passport rather than a British one would you expect me to give it up?

Statistically . Thanks, I keep looking at all these threads and telling myself to stop but that's interestinglabout Rupert M I don't understand his game quite yet - he has a mindset I find difficult to fathom.

Come to think of it thank you for all your informative posts and the very best to you and yours.

"You and a million others - if xxxxx changed his mind now, heads would roll"

I'm about to go now, so not an opportune time to pose this question but...

Many no voters on this thread have suggested that - despite the constitutional attractions of independence - it would not be worth voting for essentially because it would spook the markets, and the short-term consequences of spooking the markets should trump all other considerations.

When it comes to a currency union, no voters have suggested both that Scotland and rUK are too fiscally integrated, too economically intertwined, and too administratively interwoven to make independence worth the bother AND that a currency union would be impossible because a successful currency union depends on a high degree of fiscal integration (which we have and would have). These two positions can't be coterminous.

So what I'm asking is - what are the actual obstacles to a currency union - other than (anticipated) public opinion in rUK? Because it doesn't seem guaranteed that public opinion would necessarily be against a currency union in the actual event of independence if it actually offered the greatest measure of stability to Scotland and rUK. I've heard a lot about how currency union could be bad for iScotland, but not a great deal about why it would be difficult for rUK, other than the electorate might not warm to it.

And if hostility to a currency union is based simply on public opinion then it seems that a lot of posters on this thread would feel that those actually making the decision should enter into a currency union anyway - because the short-term consequences of spooking the markets should trump all other considerations.

Away for now. Am glad we have moved on from the nationality nonsense.

sc link not working?

criseyde I thought that earlier in the thread it was decided to be within the rules? Yes, agree it should have been done sooner but maybe reflects changed thinking in WM.

See, not that simple - two responses with totally opposing views!

I'm not sure it's that simple re the Tories. I don't think any of the senior Tories would want it on their "record" that they were the party/government who lost the union somehow. They're very look how great Britain is IME.

Maybe only works if you are on twitter? Last few tweets;

"Scotland. Now southern parties all promising much new autonomy if vote is No. Problem for them now is credibility. Also too late."

"Salmond's private polls predict 54-46 Yes. Desperate last ten days ahead for both sides. Most powerful media, BBC, totally biased for No."

"@DavidSenater my opinion sure to happen. No, but Salmond very clever and sure to press on, or will Scots chicken out on the day?"

"Scottish poll reflects world-wide disillusion with political leaders and old establishments leaving openings for libertarians and far left."

Old Murdoch is definitely out for a bit of revenge.

Tommy for Prime Minister! Now that would be an interesting one...

It's satisfying to be a successful soothsayer and to associate oneself with winners.

If the nationality thing is nonsense, doesn't that make the SNP's call for separation entirely spurious? And what is it with waving that saltire about? Like Salmond did when Andy Murray won gold for Britain at the Olympics. Ewww.

I am interested to see what George Osbourne proposes next week.

Nothing new. This has already been confirmed.

I kind of object to the way the Yes camp have claimed the saltire, can't quite explain why but it annoys the heck out of me!

Murdoch is a Scots name isn't it?

statistically - yes me too.

Polonium: For me it's about self-determination, democracy, engagement and social justice. The Union doesn't allow this. I wouldn't use the word "hatred"; I just feel very strongly that it isn't the right thing for Scotland, or for the Highlands and Islands where I live.

I am not wedded to any particular party - am probably a floating voter more than anything else. But I do have strong views on democratic representation and on wanting Scotland to be able to make its own decisions. I would support the same claim for any other country wanting independence.

Have for the most part avoided these threads but just wanted to post a link to the results of the mumsnet survey:

www.mumsnet.com/politics/mumsnetters-on-scottish-referendum

Yes I had bought a pair of Saltire cufflinks for DH and I'd like to put them on EBAY right now as they have acquired a particular message.

Thanks rum - the survey was discussed upthread a bit I think.

I have to admit I'd never seen it until it was linked today

I can't see how it is possible to say it's not about nationalism given Salmond's propensity to wrap himself in a Saltire .His behaviour at Wimbledon was pathetic.

If it is not about nationalism you should pass that message on to him.