Indyref 6

[StatisticallyChallenged]

Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

"The UK has a deficit.

It is a good illustration of how WM has mismanaged our economy.

You are actually arguing that we should stick with a system that has led us into this state of economic affairs?

Scotland's deficit is another reason to vote yes."

There aren't that many countries which don't run some sort of a deficit, it's not an automatic negative (well it is mathematically!)...But I see absolutely nothing to suggest that we would be in any better a position as an independent country. Debt servicing could cost more (likely given projected credit rating) meaning there would be more money going out on repayments before we started. The White Paper proposes policies which would incur significant spending beyond that which we currently have. The cost savings from e.g. Trident would not offset that. And that's before we get on to the other issues which could impact on our income.

Also, I don't support the SNP, or many SNP policies, thanks.

Basically the entire UK should be voting on this because it affects the whole

If the entire rUK voted yes, and every Scot no, or vice versa would that be fair?

You have extrapolated from the fact I want to stay in the Union, want to keep my British citizenship and passport, do not identity as "Scottish" as hating Scotland.

No. You said "But I don't want dual citizenship. I don't want Scottish citizenship thrust upon me. I'd sooner have no passport than a Scottish passport."

Because as far as I'm concerned I'm British. I was born a British citizen, possibly could have been a French citizen. I don't want the UK to be broken up. How does that translate into hating Scotland?.

If I had taken up the possibility of French citizenship would you still be insisting I must hate Scotland if I wanted to keep a French passport?

I will probably vote yes in this referendum. That doesn't mean I support the policies or politics of the SNP. Far from it.

Phaedera - I agree with you.

Well I don't vote SNP. So that's not really relevant to me.

Supporting one policy that happens to be an SNP one doesn't make you an SNP supporter... I never have and am 99% sure I never will vote SNP.
After independence, I don't intend to vote for the SNP either.
Gaining independence is also a Green Party goal, so how does that work?

There will also be a significant number of people who voted SNP in the last SG elections because they perceived them as a fairly safe pair of hands, and more capable than Scottish Labour, but who aren't in favour of independence and won't vote for it.

So I don't think you can really assume that all SNP voters will vote Yes.

"I live work and pay tax and am on electoral register and am eligible to vote. That does not make me "Scottish" It means I fulfill the criteria of being eligible to vote in this one particular election."

Why bother voting if you are not interested in the well being of Scottish politics? You're seem to be going to great lengths to prove something, but I don't understand what.

Difference is Numanoid the greens didn't come into existence with a stated main aim of Scottish independence.

That's true, but it's hard to understand how I, for example, can be an SNP supporter when I simply don't support them and have never voted for them.

Yes a lot of the SNP votes at last Holyrood election were probably protest votes against Labour.

"It's hard to understand how I, for example, can be an SNP supporter when I simply don't support them and have never voted for them"

Because nonsense.

IrnBru "Why bother voting if you are not interested in the well being of Scottish politics? "

Where on earth do you get that from?Or did you really mean to say "why bother voting if you aren't going to vote yes?"

I am very interested in the well being of Scotland which I don't think will be served well by indepence. Last time I checked your side were holding a referendum on it. Did I miss the part where it said there will only be 1 option on the paper.

Still nice to see more true colours.

This is getting genuinely interesting.
Criseyde and Numanoid - you are voting Yes but won't be voting for the SNP.

If at the first iScot general election another party gets in - let's say Labour as being the most likely - how will they deal with the issues left by independence - currency, EU, Trident?

Will they change the policies which the Yes voters thought they were voting for?

A lot of the SNP votes at last Holyrood election were probably protest votes against Labour.

I know a few. They are regretting it deeply.

"Will they change the policies which the Yes voters thought they were voting for?"

Well, given a Yes in the referendum, then Yes voters - and No voters - will have a chance to vote for whatever policies they want. I know why I am likely to vote for independence, and I know which policies I would like to see enacted, but I am not an SNP voter, will most likely not vote for the SNP, and am very sure that the SNP are not in a position to guarantee X or Y as the majority party post-independence.

A Yes vote is not, as far as I see it, a vote for a particular set of policies, but it is a vote for choice. I'll be able, post-referendum, to vote for whatever set of policies I like, and under the AMS in Holyrood that means that even voting for a minority party has a genuine impact.

If you vote yes you support the SNP main policy

You are supporting independence. I don't think the recent Labour and LibDems who have said they are voting Yes recently would say they are supporting the SNP. Nor would the Greens. The SNP have created the situation where we can have this vote. Support for it is far wider.

I think there are a reasonable number who voted SNP without particularly agreeing with independence. In my opinion there is an extent of disillusionment with the main parties and at least some people voted SNP because they weren't Tory/Labour. I think the same is true of some of the people who vote UKIP, or Green, or... It's not necessarily that they support their policies (I know some extremely un-green Green voters!) but their way of exercising dissatisfaction

I'm not going to get in to the who should be eligible to vote argument - I've seen both sides saying so and so shouldn't be able to vote.

I won't be voting for SNP in 2016 either....

Assuming similar parties are running on similar policies to currently I'd probably vote Green. If Labour runs in the 2016 election I'd guess it'd be a very different Labour, old Labour as opposed into New Labour perhaps.

I think Trident is going whatever and the system put in place for this to happen before the election. As far as I remember a majority of Scots want Trident gone, its not just an SNP thing.

I'm catching up, but had to dip my oar in..
itsall I'm sorry but either you are disingenuous or are you deliberately trying to goad?
You say several times (correctly) that their are idiots/numpties on both sides (I'm paraphrasing) while posting a link twice to a twitter a/c which shows nastiness towards independence supporters. Then further on, after the Nazi conversation is put to bed and other Yessers have rightly reported it, you feel the need to bring it to the front again!

"It really seems to be the No voters on this thread who are obsessed with nationalism.
Particularly those who think the SNP are Nazis. Its fascinating"