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Indyref 6

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StatisticallyChallenged · 06/09/2014 19:42

Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

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PhaedraIsMyName · 07/09/2014 16:09

Unless rUK decides to revoke citizenship from anyone who is also a Scottish Citizen you will be a dual citizen

But I don't want dual citizenship. I don't want Scottish citizenship thrust upon me. I'd sooner have no passport than a Scottish passport.

grovel · 07/09/2014 16:09

It's quite possible that the SNP MPs were "paired".

squoosh · 07/09/2014 16:09

I thought the vote was brought forward and the Scottish MPs were stuck waiting fir a flight to get back down to london.

No, that's just a line Wishart was spinning on Twitter. Very bad form on the part of the four SNP MPs who didn't bother turning up.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2014 16:12

So, if the result is a no vote and you knew that the no majority was because all the non UK EU citizens living in Scotland had voted no, would you be happy with that? I'd be happy with the overall result but hmm that it was a reflection of the will of the Scottish people.

If you choose to make your life in Scotland then you are one of the Scottish people Confused I was born in England, should I not be entitled to vote?Hmm

weatherall · 07/09/2014 16:12

Ah the subsidy myth.

Scotland generates more tax than rUK.

FACT.

AnnieHoo · 07/09/2014 16:14

The pairing system hasn't been in operation for years and the MSP's would have said that themselves if it was the case.

AnnieHoo · 07/09/2014 16:14

Sorry I mean SNP MP's not MSPs.

weatherall · 07/09/2014 16:15

"Scottish people" are people who live in Scotland.

You are going down the road of xenophobia/racism/fascism to suggest otherwise.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2014 16:15

But I don't want dual citizenship. I don't want Scottish citizenship thrust upon me. I'd sooner have no passport than a Scottish passport.

You hate Scotland that much? Shock I'd imagine you could choose to revoke your Scottish citizenship.

Celticlass2 · 07/09/2014 16:16

Phaedra Genuine question, why do you live in Scotland. it's just that you appear not to like it very much.

Polonium · 07/09/2014 16:16

It suits the SNP to continue with the lie that they are incapable of influencing Westminster policy. They are dreadful people who want power much more than they want policies that reflect their constituents' wishes.

The EU don't issue passports.

weatherall · 07/09/2014 16:16

No one will force you to get a passport Pheadra.

Do you realise how offensive you sound?

Criseyde · 07/09/2014 16:17

"The pairing system hasn't been in operation for years and the MSP's would have said that themselves if it was the case."

It is in operation - in fact in was the very excuse that many absent Labour MPs gave when they failed to support their very own bill to abolish the bedroom tax!

In either case, pairing is only allowed on votes which are only two line whips (or fewer), if the Labour Party had thought that passing their motion was really important, they wouldn't have allowed pairing.

Pairing is no excuse for the SNP MPs in question either, in my opinion. But this private members bill was always going to pass with the support of the Lib Dems and Labour, and no SNP votes were going to make any difference. Still should have turned up to vote on principle though!

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 07/09/2014 16:19

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PhaedraIsMyName · 07/09/2014 16:19

I hate being pigeon holed. I hate being told I'm Scottish. I've never thought of myself as Scottish.

Weatherall I don't follow your point. I'm "Scottish" because I live here? I'm racist etc because I don't think of myself as Scottish?

Criseyde · 07/09/2014 16:20

"So by your logic weatherall you'd be Japanese if you lived in Japan for even 1 year?"

Yeah. Why not?

Polonium · 07/09/2014 16:21

Weatherall - your tactic is that of a bully. Every time someone makes a good point for the NO side, you accuse them of being offensive. It's perfectly valid for a British person to not want to rescind their British passport. It's not in the least bit offensive.

IrnBruTheNoo · 07/09/2014 16:22

"Genuine question, why do you live in Scotland. it's just that you appear not to like it very much."

I've actually been wondering this for five threads now....

PhaedraIsMyName · 07/09/2014 16:22

What it's now offensive to say "I'm not Scottish"?

When was that rule invented?

Is this official policy? You live here so you must be Scottish?

Sallyingforth · 07/09/2014 16:22

weatherall

Ah the subsidy myth.
**
Scotland generates more tax than rUK.
FACT.

Only losers shout FACT to try and convince.
Try reading this quote, instead of Wings:

"The Scottish economy runs at a huge deficit that is only maintainable due to being heavily subsidised by England. The country's total income for 2012-13 was £47.6 billion against expenditure of £65 billion, therefore a net deficit of more than £17 billion (Source: Scotland.gov.uk), therefore taking into account extra oil revenue of £5 billion this puts an Independent Scotland short by £12 billion per year, but this is BEFORE Scotland's share of the national debt of £120 billion and resulting annual interest payments of at least £4 billion are taken into account as well as its banks liabilities resulting in an annual black hole of at least £16 billion per year or 10% of GDP, against 5.8% for the UK."

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StatisticallyChallenged · 07/09/2014 16:22

Yup, regardless of the ins and out, they should have been there. They've made a huge deal of bedroom tax and how evil they find it - not turning up was a huge error of judgement.

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sconequeen · 07/09/2014 16:22

Yes, I would be totally happy with that. It would be the will of the people living in Scotland, under this franchise, at the time of the referendum. I have absolutely zero interest in interrogating who or what the "Scottish people" are, other than that they are people who live in Scotland.

I agree totally. I am back recently from living abroad. If I was still living there, I wouldn't be entitled to vote. I would have been disappointed but would have accepted it, as I wasn't living here and therefore didn't meet the rules. Likewise, I am totally happy to accept that the high proportion of Eastern Europeans living here can vote: they live here, they work here, they send their children to school here. They are part of Scotland.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/09/2014 16:24

It's perfectly valid for a British person to not want to rescind their British passport

No-one has said they would have to Confused

So by your logic weatherall you'd be Japanese if you lived in Japan for even 1 year?

If you live/work in a country then you are of that country. Place of birth is a very narrow way of defining nationality.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 07/09/2014 16:25

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Sallyingforth · 07/09/2014 16:26

ItsAll
I can't find 'of that country' in the dictionary. What does it mean please?

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