Indyref 6

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Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

Godwins Law

I was up last night in the wee small hours, worrying as you do at that time of night - mainly because my parents are needing to downsize and cannot sell their house at the moment.

And what with the Yougov poll and all, it struck me more forcefully than ever that the fear on the No side is because we only get this chance.

Yes voters will get another bite of the cherry if they fail this time; we will not.

So the stakes could not be higher for us - which I think explains the emotion on our side at least.

I'd agree, comparing the party as a whole isn't appropriate. If you see specific behaviours that need challenged then challenged them, but calling "nazi" isn't ever going to be anything other than inflammatory.

WildThong I hadn't heard of that before - a useful meme to know and absolutely right.

I hope for Scotland's sake that there is a clear (more than 10%) majority EITHER way - looking at the depth of feeling expressed here I fear that there will be major civil disorder if the result is so close.

I believe that this vote will turn out to be the most divisive event in Scotlands history and could take years to recover, if ever.

I agree BMW. The yes voters talk about us all working hard together after to make it work because even they say things will be tough. If just under half the population are disgruntled with the result then it's going to be a horrible time.

I really believe that they should have made it that over 60% was needed in favour for independence.

That's sad numaboid, I hope things work out for them sad I've been in a similar situation and have no desire to repeat it if it can be helped, it's why I'm worried about if there will be a drastic increase in prices

I think they will be okay in the sense of having somewhere to stay and such, but it's sad that anyone is in that situation in this day and age. I can only imagine what it must be like.

It is not the SNP that is killing off the sick & disabled, people being passed fit to work, getting benefits stopped & starving to death.

The Nazi comments are utterly disgusting & I have reported those posts.

BMW6: you are right - there is undoubtedly division just now. In the event of Yes vote, however, there is commitment in the Yes campaign (as underlined by Alex Salmond last week) to working with everyone to take things forward positively.

There were lots of fears expressed prior to the devolution referendum but there are now very few people who would want devolution reversed. I know that independence is on a different dimension but I think that No voters would get on and work with it if the vote went against them. That's how democracy has to work.

I agree that a clear majority would be the best outcome. I think myself we are heading for a clear Yes majority, and I personally think it is incredibly exciting to think about the opportunities which we could have on so many fronts after that.

*Emotive language such as 'breaking up' and 'profoundly sad' is alright when it's coming from yourself as a BY supporter?

It's not helpful*

So emotion is only acceptable if it's from your side? All this banging on about being a nation, being free, is fine all sentimental drivel like that video wiggly posted is fine?. I'm making a decision from my head and my heart but of course only the nats have hearts- how could I forget that.

I look forward to being told what else I'm allowed to think or feel if this nightmare happens.

I agree that a clear majority would be the best outcome. I think myself we are heading for a clear Yes majority, and I personally think it is incredibly exciting to think about the opportunities which we could have on so many fronts after that.

A clear majority for whichever side wins would be ideal, that's true. I think we're heading for a Yes majority, but I think it might still be close, in the sense of 55/45, or something similar.

LadyCordelia - have you looked up "Godwin's Law" yet? You are not doing your cause any favours.

Scone I find the prospect of living in a country where there are people who tell me I'm not even allowed to be sad (as someone on here has said) that my country will have been torn apart.

There does seem to be a perception that only the Yes campaign feel emotions. They're allowed to talk about hopes and dreams - no campaigners are not. And we're definitely not allowed fear.

Sorry meant to add I find it terrifying. I find the views of FannyFifer pretty scary given the levels of contempt she displays for many of her fellow residents of Scotland.

In the event of Yes vote, however, there is commitment in the Yes campaign (as underlined by Alex Salmond last week) to working with everyone to take things forward positively.

Gee, how gracious of Salmond! Of course there'll be a commitment to 'work with everyone' seeing as the losing side, whichever side that may be, will be near enough 50% of the population.

Hitler didn't come to power until 1933. I was very careful to say 1920s Germany so as not to suggest Salmond was leading an antisemitic party that is happy to engage in violence, torture and murder.

I think the perspective is being lost a bit. Does it matter what side of the vote you're on? We are all people who want the best for our country, all people who have feelings and emotions, neighbours and friends and even strangers but we are still people, despite our different opinions.

I find it incredibly sad that this referendum seems to be tearing scotland apart from the inside. No matter what the outcome I hope that after it's all over and done with then people will stop being so hostile and nasty. This isn't a good thing. But perhaps I'm just being naive and gullible in hoping that

I live in north London. DP is going out this afternoon to check over some houses that a friend/colleague of DP has seen on the web.

Said colleague works in FS in Edinburgh and has been warned that he'll be moving to London in the event of a Yes. The prospect of moving is causing tension in his family because wife doesn't not to move.

From what others have said I suspect this is just one case of many.

But we're not allowed to refer to hopes and dreams! You belittle me every time I mention it!

And derailed the thread yesterday with your insults and constant talk of money and class when statistically and I were starting to have an interesting discussion about hope vs fear ( or risk taking vs risk averse)

This thread is going nowhere just now. I think it's very telling that despite the lead in the polls there has been no crowing or nastiness from yes posters. But continued insults, arguing and offensiveness from some of the no posters ( I stress some, I think some if you are very even handed and intelligent and nice. Thanks :-) )

I've reported the nazi stuff too

Phaedra - there's a lot of emotion on both sides. I respect your views and emotions even if I don't agree with them. I would rather see a committed No voter than a "don't care/can't be bothered/not even voting" one. I would prefer it, however, if a No vote decision was for positive reasons rather than based on fear just as I hope that Yes decisions are being made on the basis of the fantastic opportunities for democracy and social justice which I believe independence offers.

When on any of these threads have I ever expressed contempt for anyone?