Indyref 6

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Welcome to indyref 6

Spidergirl8 asked close to end of last thread:

What impact would independence have on fiscal policy and economic stability
What impact would the ageing population have on the future
Is the predicted future a positive one, based on fact

If the bite goes no, what has actually been achieved? Does that not just put Scotland on the back foot?

Let's try and give not too biased answers please!

Neil Kinnock thought he was on to a good thing then Maggie Thatcher beat him to the post. It looked promising until polls, and then he lost big time.

wiggly lines, thanks for that video, just made me and my son cry!

Although you will get nowhere posting anything hopeful in this thread. I've been roundly ridiculed for it for threads now.

I loved Salmond saying Scots could enjoy free movement ..... Er yes, in Scotland..... Get past a border control if you want to come to England. Though British/English border controls are about as effective as wet toilet paper!

It isn't difficult to enter Southern Ireland, I doubt there are going to be tough border controls between Scotland and England. :)

I've decided I'm not going to let insults from either camp continue on this thread. We are all doing a good job of being even handed so far. Don't start up arguments.

I agree with this, we can all discuss this (and usually do) without direct insults at either side.

deeedeee that's a good article you posted.

One thing that stuck out for me was the fact that many Yes voters in the 1995 referendum under-estimated the degree of separation that would happen in the event of independence. Not saying there's parallels but....

It certainly accords with what I saw at the time where many Quebec yes voters working for the federal government assumed they would be keeping their jobs post independence, despite it now being a foreign country.

"I'm still predicting 60/40 to yes."

FannyFifer DH was quoting this figure last night saying it's been predicted for several months now. We can only hope!!

Lady c, I have reported you . I've written

"Hi Mumsnet HQ.

It'd be great if you could ask posters in the referendum threads to avoid insults. It's a difficult one to police as posters from either side are tending to blur into one, and therefore the insults are personal but usually to more than one poster. but the insults are there none the less and are usually derailing the quality of the debate. it would be helpful if you could moderate a little? thanks x"

I respect your right to hold a different opinion Lady c, but if you could please avoid the insults

I do hope whatever the end result things can be progressed in an adult and fair way. All this hate and resentment is truly awful. I have lived in Scorland for a long time but am originally from England, I am not pro England orpro Scotland. I want an outcome which best for the nations people, regardless of their background etc.
Why this seems to boil down to an England vs Scotland thing is not good. Many small countries who are independent manage fine, equally the current union is much more successful than others.
Too much emotion and propaganda has crept into this.

lady c, i'm not rising to it. stop with the insulting language. It helps no one

Here's a question, when did Better Together change to No Thanks, entire branding etc?
No one seemed to have noticed or commented that an entire campaign is now called something else, do they not use UKOK either now?

It is the yes side who hate England

Not true. As a whole the Yes side would prefer not to be ruled by WM. No issue with the English. There are of course a handful of bigots on both side who try to portray it as the Scottish against the English, but this is thankfully a minority view.

The only people that keep going on about hating England etc are the No side.

I don't hate England, it's a great country & people.

There are plenty English folk campaigning for yes, "English Scots for Yes" for example & we have people from many different countries involved in Yes campaign locally.

FannyFifer from what I can see they're being used simultaneously. The campaign website is still better together - I think no thanks is more of a slogan. UKOK is still active on twitter, dunno about elsewhere.

Here's a question, when did Better Together change to No Thanks, entire branding etc?

June 2014.
www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2014/06/no-thanks-better-together-deploys-politeness-to-save-the-union.html

I've no idea who UKOK belongs too?

It is interesting that such a major rebrand passed by unnoticed.

Spodergirl, it's Scot against Scot now. It is the yes side who hate England and are happy to see Scotland leave the UK despite the dire economic consequences which will result.

The Yes side don't hate England... Many Yes supporters I know and am related to are English, and I certainly don't hate England. I have been subjected to abuse from No supporters, but have never retaliated. So it's an unfair and untrue statement to make about an entire campaign.

Can't we all just accept that we have different views, and not resort to insults? We're all voting whichever way because we think it's best.

George Osbourne confirms "no ifs, no buts, we will not share the Pound" . So it's Plan B which means no central bank and interest rates set by foreign country.

Salmond's vision of a friendly relationship with our foreign neighbour ROUK doesn't wash. The English Welsh and NI will be our economic competitors.

Companies will move across the border to meet compliance with EU regulations within their businesses as Scotland will be outwith EU so cheaper for them to relocate to Northern England.

The only people that keep going on about hating England etc are the No side.

Most of the No voters who have commented about anti English sentiment have been relating stuff they have heard or seen. There is far too much of it and it's pathetic. Are we supposed to pretend it isn't happening?

All supposition Annie no basis in whatsoever. And yeah, I would totally believe everything Osborne says, because the Tories are soo trustworthy!

There is far too much of it and it's pathetic. Are we supposed to pretend it isn't happening

TBH, yes, I think we should. It is generally brought up on these threads as an accusation against the Yes campaign, and it just derails things. It is a bigoted minority on both sides and brings nothing to the debate except recriminations and bitterness. Better to ignore than give them oxygen.

After one of the No Thanks campaigners found out I would be voting yes yesterday they informed me that I wouldn't be able to feed my children anymore as all the supermarkets will raise their prices sky high due to the cost of importing food from the rest of the uk. Does anyone know if this is true? The yes campaigner told me it was rubbish but tbh they're both going to say that aren't they, I just want to know how high the costs are going to get and how big an impact on my finances it'll make as I already struggle to make ends meet.