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grovel · 04/09/2014 14:49

Well?

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grandtheftmanual · 06/09/2014 09:54

But surely you can extrapolate that if we don't think it's going to be better for us, then we REALLY don't think it's going to be better for our children and grandchildren.

Now you appear to be saying that Yes voters care more about their kids than no voters. Right.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/09/2014 09:56

Seriously, Itsallgoingtobefine. You still think this is true or even an acceptable way to polarise and stereotype people?

I'm sorry, but this is what I have seen online. Call it capitalist/socialist if that's more acceptable

weatherall · 06/09/2014 09:57

Switzerland is land locked- I hardly think you can compare our defence strategies.

I think there is more chance of compulsory conscription coming from WM than HR.

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 09:57

I do groan at the thought of McD staff being paid £10 an hour. How much do you think a burger would cost?

weatherall · 06/09/2014 09:58

Grantheft- it was a BT billboard which implied that people who lived their kids would vote no.

Nice.

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 09:59

Weatherall yes - you will need a navy as well!

weatherall · 06/09/2014 09:59

I'd McDonald's burgers cost more in iScotland that would only be a good thing. With our obesity epidemic it would save the NHS £££.

weatherall · 06/09/2014 10:00

The UK navy does nothing for Scotland now!

weatherall · 06/09/2014 10:01

Is anyone actually happy with the tax and benefits system as it is?

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:04

The navy is there when needed. Yes we all know about the Russian ship playing games but in a serious situation it can be brought in. To have no navy would be foolish - or will you leave it to NATO?

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:05

No one will ever be happy with it. Silly question.

StatisticallyChallenged · 06/09/2014 10:06

ItsAllGoingToBeFine well, I can say for a fact you are wrong since I'm a no voter and I do not think that. Neither do any of the no voters I know personally. I fully believe in a strong welfare system. I think the current one has flaws, but I don't in any way believe all people who are poor are lazy.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 06/09/2014 10:06

The navy is there when needed. Yes we all know about the Russian ship playing games but in a serious situation it can be brought in.

Slowly, from the south of England. I think iScotland was planning to have a navy?

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:10

Weatherall if you want to spend another day in discussion you need to do better than trot out the Wishlist nonsense that you can spend spend spend without huge tax increases, widespread unemployment and roaring inflation.
Please be realistic.

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:13

Yes a navy is in the Wishlist. I was pointing out to our friend that not being landlocked like Switzerland, was no advantage.

sconequeen · 06/09/2014 10:18

Weatherall - love your 9.53.01 post!

Re the term "white settlers", I'm not defending it but I do know why some people have used it. My family come from a remote crofting community in the Highlands. All over the Highlands, there are similar communities where the local people were forced, over decades, to leave due to the land ownership system and the resulting lack of opportunities for ordinary local people. Large swathes of the Highlands are still owned by landlords from outwith Scotland who historically have blocked local attempts at economic development and essentially forced the local people out. At a micro level, incomers (often English) are able to buy houses which local people can't afford, and the local culture and traditions have struggled to survive. It can seem sometimes like a process of colonisation as the incomers often had the money and clout to change things to the way they wanted them. However, there has been an amazing revival in Highland culture and confidence coinciding with devolution - and one, which I am glad to say, is inclusive and involving both people whose families have lived in the Highlands for generations and people who arrived more recently from many different countries.

Notwithstanding, the current system of land ownership is a huge issue for the North of Scotland, and has only been addressed partly by community buy-out legislation. It is one of the things which Westminster will never want to reform, and another reason, IMO, for wanting independence.

WhatWouldFreddieDo · 06/09/2014 10:22

Sallyforth ItsAllGoing The British Navy seems to be very much here and involved in protecting Scotland via it's North Atlantic patrols and 43 Commando based at RN Clyde - to prevent drug trafficking, keep track of Russian subs, patrol the fisheries, etc.

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:28

Freddie
You are out of order!
Facts are not permitted here, only rhetoric. :(

StatisticallyChallenged · 06/09/2014 10:29

GrinSallyingforth

grovel · 06/09/2014 10:30

9 RN ships are based at Faslane. Plus the subs.

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WhatWouldFreddieDo · 06/09/2014 10:33

oops, sorry.

must get on - off canvassing in our local town

sconequeen · 06/09/2014 10:35

Lady CordeliaFlyte

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I find that clip one of the most offensive and obnoxious things I have ever seen. Comparing the Yes campaign and Alex Salmond to the the Nazis and Hitler is simply not acceptable on any level.

Sallyingforth · 06/09/2014 10:36

Weatherall. Please look further than McD.

Shop workers would all love a £10 mw and who can blame them. But who is then going to buy in the High Street when it costs 20% or 40% more than Amazon?

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