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grovel · 04/09/2014 14:49

Well?

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SantanaLopez · 05/09/2014 23:36

Hope can do many things.

This isn't a Disney movie.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/09/2014 23:37

This isn't a Disney movie.

So you don't think its worth even thinking about how to make things better? How depressing.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 05/09/2014 23:38

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SantanaLopez · 05/09/2014 23:38

I didn't say that.

I am saying that independence seems unlikely to make things better.

ChelsyHandy · 05/09/2014 23:38

Itsallgoingtobefine

Well, go out and earn more money and pay more tax then to contribute more to the welfare state then.

We have one of the most generous welfare states in the entire world. Even countries which have come closest to eradicating poverty by making everyone middle class, like The Netherlands, still have poor people who have problems that cannot be resolved no matter how much welfare money and care you throw at them.

SantanaLopez · 05/09/2014 23:39

The way some people speak on here you would think we are living in a country without free education, free healthcare and an extensive system of welfare benefits.

This.

deeedeee · 05/09/2014 23:40

Stringy cheese!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gold Chelsy . You are fucking hilarious!

This is the common weal www.allofusfirst.org

Feel free to have dismembered it by morning,

And a goodnight gift

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/you-con-your-idiots-ill-con-mine-salmond-tells-miliband-2014090590237

Don't have nightmares x

TeamScotland · 05/09/2014 23:42

I hope these threads keep going after the 18th. That's all. It's really good to "talk" to people with such completely differing views.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/09/2014 23:42

extensive system of welfare benefits.

"The level of UK benefits paid in pensions, jobseeker's allowance and incapacity benefit is "manifestly inadequate" because it falls below 40% of the median income of European states, according to the Council of Europe in Strasbourg."

[]www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/29/uk-benefits-inadequate-council-of-europe]]

The way some people speak on here you would think we are living in a country without free education, free healthcare

It is not free. It is paid for through taxation etc

ChelsyHandy · 05/09/2014 23:42

And I hope you dream of Avogadro's number and nuclear equations Deeedeee.

grandtheftmanual · 05/09/2014 23:43

But if the yes vote wins who gets the ukelel orchestra?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/09/2014 23:44

I hope these threads keep going after the 18th. That's all. It's really good to "talk" to people with such completely differing views.

Me too. It'll be really interesting to see how people feel, regrets etc, and also how they feel after the result - is there a lot of posturing on this thread which will change with the reality of a result?

sconequeen · 05/09/2014 23:45

Actually, I do go out to work (in my own business which also employs other people, as it happens), I was a HRT until I reduced my hours due to having young children, I am glad to pay into society to help people less able to look after themselves for whatever reason, and I work in the field of economic development. And hope helps fight poverty by:
*motivating people in difficulties to think it is worth getting educated, getting trained and getting a job or a better job

  • helping communities to make life better by improving their physical surroundings, getting their young people off the streets/off drugs/off the dole, starting up self-help mechanisms to build skills and confidence etc *inspiring people into politics, pressure groups and campaigns to bring about the political and constitutional changes which can provide the incentives and support to help poor people to improve their situations.

And I can assure you from the canvassing that I am doing that there are lots of people out there who are now engaged and ready, whatever the result on 18th September, to work towards making things fairer in this country.

PS: I apologise - I shouldn't have referred to "naice Edinburgh houses" although I know some of you are living in these. The "I'm all right, Jack" mentality is obviously not confined to genteel Edinburgh streets.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 05/09/2014 23:48

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grandtheftmanual · 05/09/2014 23:49

I honestly think if it's a no vote on 18th there will be no posturing, just a quiet sense of relief.

deeedeee · 06/09/2014 00:09

Chelsy for that latest piece of comic genius have this gorgeous thing

medium.com/@Ian_Dunn/in-mischief-and-in-sorrow-5d01fd1a2969

StatisticallyChallenged · 06/09/2014 00:09

The "I'm all right, Jack" mentality is obviously not confined to genteel Edinburgh streets.

No, it's found everywhere, from the richest to the poorest - there's just different definitions of what "alright" is. Amazing social consciences are found everywhere too - even in genteel Edinburgh streets. Your determination to put people in boxes based on where they live or what they earn is grim.

deeedeee · 06/09/2014 00:10

Ps- hello scone queen, welcome home. I missed you. X

sconequeen · 06/09/2014 00:12

No, what's grim is your inability to see things in the wider context of trying to create a fairer society in what should be one of the most prosperous countries in the world. There are higher principles at stake than how independence might hit you in the pocket.

deeedeee · 06/09/2014 00:14

To be fair statistically, scone queen didn't start it! Chelsy did! Chelsy did!

StatisticallyChallenged · 06/09/2014 00:16

I am well aware of "higher principles" but I see no evidence that independence will deliver them. I am very aware of the wider context, and I am not only concerned for my pocket. You've crossed the line in to bloody offensive with that.

You assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you that independence will deliver a socialist panacea doesn't understand or doesn't care. You are wrong on both counts.

WildThong · 06/09/2014 00:16

That has already been fully discussed and agreed scone. "Higher principles" aren't owned by those voting yes, although some folk on here seem to think so. The points that aren't agreed are how an independent Scotland will actually pay for these principles.

sconequeen · 06/09/2014 00:18

Hi to you to deeedeee!
Not online so much just now. Busy out there combining running my very busy business (just mentioning this to those who think I've no sense of economic reality Wink with canvassing and finding lots and lots of Yes voters, not to mention doing my little bit to help Undecideds rapidly move along the scale to Yes...

deeedeee · 06/09/2014 00:20

Did you not read my post about scottish football tax wildthong? We've got it all worked out already. Trust me

WildThong · 06/09/2014 00:21

No and no Wink

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