Indyref Part 4

[SantanaLopez]

Evening all :)

I would echo all that Roseformeplease has said.

The CforE has been a disaster.
Exam results massaged, teaching staff unready, actual curriculum very narrow and quite obviously politicised. So sad, when Scottish Education used to be the envy of the world.

Not saying England doing it any better under Gove et al, but very sad to see what Scotland has done to its own education system, when given the opportunity to do SO much better

Deeedeee don't get too stressed about it. I believe it will go our way on the night.

Teamscotland- and with that post I wish you good night

Cheers team Scotland. And cheers everyone.

For what it's worth, if you want my prediction. I think things will continue to be a bit shit after independance. There's never going to be a government that everyone is happy with! All the shit throwing aimed at CEC and holyrood I agree with. I doubt we'll get some saintly so and so s governing us. I daresay I'll disagree with a lot of what goes on. I doubt that it'll all be brilliant.

But I still think that's better than the ways things have headed over my lifetime. Maybe if they'd actually given us a meaningful vote to change first past the post. Maybe if labour weren't new . But there's no one left to vote for at Westminster.

" ...iScotland..."

Oh God. Really? No offence to you personally, kansas, but is that a thing now?

It's become a handy shortcut, likewise rUK.

I do feel a bit ashamed..

Wearenotinkansas ‘ post of 22.33 last night pretty much explains how I feel about this whole debacle.

I am getting truly cross that no voters are all being portrayed as amoral rich right wingers who want to stop Scotland reaching its full amazing potential.

We are not ‘project fear’. We are generally pragmatic people who have looked at the white paper in detail, and decided that the numbers just do not add up. By numbers I do not just mean the finances. We are not all focussed purely on £.

Even the yes campaign admits that there could be years of pain in the event of a yes vote while the union is unpicked. So many yes voters have said they are voting yes to achieve a better Scotland for their children. If your children are in their early/mid teens these years of pain will have a direct effect on their future.

Housing and business appear to be stagnating , waiting for the referendum. I would imagine they will continue to stagnate after a yes vote while everyone waits to see what will happen.

Deeedeee and weatherall, you mention 4 threads of shouting into blackholes and no poster’s predictions of gloom. I actually found the first 2 threads very much dominated by yes posters, and felt a powerful sense of gloom just reading them!

Deedee I don't want even "a bit" of shitness

Did anyone get an email from mumsnet about a referendum survey? There were questions about the attractiveness of darling/salmond.

I have been happy with the achievements of the Scottish parliament, especially given their limited remit and budget.

The breastfeeding in public act was groundbreaking.

The ban on smoking in public has made a massive improvement to public health.

I was awake last night thinking how a Yes would affect our family. i know our circumstances are different to most, but I can't see DH's job staying in Edinburgh and that makes me so angry and sad.

I love living in Scotland, I love my home, the DCs are so well settled at school, great local community, masses of friends, yaddah yaddah. Yet in two weeks' time it might all go south, or rather we might well be forced to go south.

Much that I love certain parts of it, I do not want to live in England!

frankie I got that email and filled out the survey.

I assume the questions about attractiveness are because apparently that can influence women voters ...

I would very much like to think that is not the case, but who knows. Not sure there's much between them in attractiveness anyway

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The Scottish government has a much better track record than WM at funding violence against women services such as women's aid and rape crisis.

The cfe may not be perfect (what system is in it's first year)) but I'd have it a million times over rather than the mess that is the English education system.

The Scottish parliament piloted free school meals 5 years ago and only now are WM catching up.

I think one of our biggest achievements is the eradication of homelessness. As of 2012 every unintentionally homeless household has a right to permanent social housing. This is what social justice looks like. This is an example of what we could do if we had full control of our resources.

Having responsibility over devolved issues is not enough without control over the finances.

It's like telling someone they can go into a supermarket and can buy whatever they want but only giving them a fiver.

Anyone in financial services care to comment on the likelihood of the following after a Yes vote?

Share prices for Scottish-based listed companies fall.
Transfer of sterling balances by individuals and possibly companies to English-registered banks.
Spending drops as people hang onto their money.
House market stagnates while we all wait and see.
Mortgages ? Presumably banks won't want to lend while there's complete uncertainty over currency and interest rates, or will only lend at higher interest rates to cover the risk

The white paper doesn't say anything about increasing income tax.

No ones suggesting that.

Stop scaremongering.

weatherall, Holyrood has had the power to vary income tax rates for some time: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26630498

Of course they haven't, because they can't afford to drop them and don't dare raise them.

weatherall that was a xpost.

No one's said anything about income tax. But of course in the future anything could happen, the SNP may well not be in power.

by No one I mean the politicians, not on the thread!

Whatwouldfreddiedo- you talk as if everyone in Scotland has a current account with rbs or bos.

There are plenty of other banks with Scottish customers: Clydesdale (Australian), Santander (Spanish), Lloyds and Barclays (English).