Indyref Part 4

[SantanaLopez]

Evening all :)

I disappeared because I feel like DeeeDee Bye!!!!

Though can't resist saying Sallyingforth that economics and maths are NOT universal and unchanging. Economics is known as the dismal science because its practitioners SAY they have the answers, but really they haven't got a scoobie....

Has anyone changed their mind since these threads started? (Not necessarily because of the thread lol)

Still a no thanks here

Sorry we don't all subscribe to your desperate need to take unnecessary risks. Risks are good when they're reasonable but I'm not going to jump off a cliff just because I might be able to fly if I am really determined. Because chances are I can't. Economics theory may be variable but basics remain and I'm fairly surely that 6-2 does not equal the 10 we'd need to pay for the white paper.

And yes, oh dear indeed Weatherall

Well Will I don't know a country in the world where those principles don't apply.
Don't confuse economists with economics. That's like confusing astronauts with the stars.

The future is uncertain! Worthwhile things are often difficult! You all feel like you are banging your heads against a brick wall because we understand it's risky but we believe it's the right thing to do anyway.

It's not risky in the sense that you can sprain an ankle.

It's risky in the sense that jobs will be lost, the economy will suffer and there will have to be cuts across the budget. And when you bring that down to the ordinary person, it means that there could be an entire generation of young Scots who really, really suffer.

All those children in poverty? Families on the breadline? Elderly folk who can't afford to heat their houses? That's who's going to suffer the most.

Fair point Frankie!

(Maths IS universal and unchanging though..)

Just deleted a rant about levels of education ...

On that intolerant and old-farty point I really have to preserve the integrity of my arteries and leave!

may be the answer..

All those children in poverty? Families on the breadline? Elderly folk who can't afford to heat their houses? That's who's going to suffer the most.

That's already a huge problem, and most likely only going to get worse.

WillPenn

If you want to learn about the basic, immutable principles of economics, I recommend you read the work of one of the greatest Scotsmen of all time - Adam Smith. What he wrote nearly 300 years ago is still valid today.

This commentary is very relevant:
theconversation.com/an-independent-scotland-would-have-to-look-to-adam-smith-not-socialism-31211

Deeedeee- it is like that on these threads isn't it?

They are juggernauts of No propaganda. It's the same posters with the same scare stories repeated until they've silenced everyone else.

weatherall I do feel you there. It does seem to be okay to tell Yes voters we're living in a fantasy land but it's very offensive to suggest anything negative about No voters.

Strange, because that's how I feel a lot of the yes posters are. Constantly going over the same ground and rejecting concerns are scaremongering. Throwing in a few insults and assumptions about income levels along the way.

And we have argued the same points over and over again, presumably because they are the ones that matter to people?

Strange, because that's how I feel a lot of the yes posters are. Constantly going over the same ground and rejecting concerns as scaremongering. Throwing in a few insults and assumptions about income levels along the way.

And we have argued the same points over and over again, presumably because they are the ones that matter to people?

Sorry - tried to correct a typo there, didn't think I'd double posted.

Totes changed my mind into voting No.

It's like the Better Together campaign in general on here, how on earth could Scotland run itself, to wee, poor & stupid, what a bore.

We are in a better position than any country ever to go Independent.

Yes is going to win on the 18th, the more scaremongering the bigger the vote.

It does seem to be okay to tell Yes voters we're living in a fantasy land but it's very offensive to suggest anything negative about No voters

It's not offensive when you argue your points properly.

But you (nonspecific) just say we're all selfish. We should be glad we have jobs and houses to worry about. It's all going to be fine. We are just bullying. Westminster are fucking us over. It's the Tories.

weatherall - no-one here expects to change any minds.

You Yes voters will put your fingers in your ears, jump of that cliff singing "la-la-la" and hope to find the nice soft landing that Alec has prepared for you.

Good luck with that - I've enjoyed the chat today but now I'm off to catch up with the real world.

This is the thread I just can't leave.

A juggernaut of propaganda indeed.

It's not scaremongering! It's genuine worries and questions about what we could be letting ourselves in for.

Shoot me someone!

Weatherall and DeeDee you have both ably confirmed the stereotype of the average yes voter - not very bright and blinded by Braveheart propaganda.

With a degree and a teaching qualification I'm the least-qualified person in a family of Yes voters (bar one)... "not very bright" isn't accurate there. And indeed, none of us are Braveheart fans (dad is a historian and pointed out all the inaccuracies, it's pretty bad - Mel Gibson's Glaswegian accent to start!).

Propaganda comes from both sides, and most of the people I know are doing their own research. Which is the best thing to do. :)