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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Aibu to judge this mum in Pizza Hut?

193 replies

hippo123 · 01/09/2014 18:01

Ok, I admit my judgy pants were pulled very high and maybe I'm being unreasonable about this.

So myself and my kids were in Pizza Hut today at lunchtime. A lady was out with her 3 boys who at a guess were 6,9 and 11. Each of the boys had an iPad mini and played on them throughout, even whilst eating. They had headphones on which I guess is good in terms of noise disturbance but as a result there was no talking between any of them. When the waitress asked if everything was ok they didn't hear so the mum spoke for them.
The mum spent all of her time on her iPhone.
Aibu to think this is a bit sad? And no, I really don't think any of them had special needs, although I accept it is technically possible.

OP posts:
myusernameis · 02/09/2014 06:41

Yanbu. I find this sad. This is not the same as crayons and paper as iPad's etc are more attention absorbing.

I have been out family meals at special occasions where my bil and sil give their 5 year old ds a portable DVD player to watch, and same for other dil and bil and their two dd's (2 and 4). The children aren't even given a chance to learn how to socialise around the table as this is put in front of them straight away.

PandasRock · 02/09/2014 07:11

Mentioning SN does not stifle debate, it adds that extra dimension to be considered.

I am not offended by anyone who has a blanket no-gadgets-at-table rule. I would have one myself in a parallel life.

But imo it is important to flag up to some posters - the 'well, it's just awful and such a sad sign of the times that parents don't talk to their children anymore' posters - that there could be another reason why it is happening.

As I said earlier, this could have been me. And one of mine would not have acknowledged the waitress either. Not through rudeness , but through a complete inability to cope with contact with a stranger.

Petitgrain · 02/09/2014 07:35

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Alisvolatpropiis · 02/09/2014 07:38

You don't have to read the thread Petit, you absolute charmer.

JapaneseMargaret · 02/09/2014 07:41

As a snapshot of someone's life, it's not great. But there could be a zillion and one reasons for why they've gone out for dinner and done this, right?

You know that. So posting a thread about it is really mean-spirited.

And I say this as someone who hasn't, thus far, needed to take iPads out with the kids for dinner....

KoalaDownUnder · 02/09/2014 07:43

Oh FGS, chill out. People here are freaking out way more than the OP was.

Half of this site is people talking about other people's behaviour that doesn't directly affect them (hyphenated names, earrings on babies, etc). iPad use seems to touch a nerve and people are unable to have a reasonable discussion about it. Hmm

The OP didn't march up and tell the woman she was a bad mother. She's giving an anonymous opinion on an internet discussion board.

KoalaDownUnder · 02/09/2014 07:44

(That was at Petit, by the way.)

saintlyjimjams · 02/09/2014 07:46

It's unusual behaviour so I would assume that it was quite likely they had special needs (and anyway it's none of my business). If they didn't? So what, it's not affecting me.

I don't think ds1 could manage a Pizza Hut, but if we ever tried with him I'd sure as hell take an iPad and headphones. Or noise reducing headphones - maybe someone could have a good lemon suck about those.

If ds2 & ds3 complained about others getting to use technology while eating I'd tell them tough, & they use it enough.

EarthWindFire · 02/09/2014 07:47

You know nothing about these peoples lives. Maybe it's the only time they have used them all day or maybe it isn't. Maybe they have SN, maybe they don't.

Whatever the reason it is actually none of your business.

Alisvolatpropiis · 02/09/2014 07:48

Most things posted about on MN aren't "our business", it is true but very trite.

Petitgrain · 02/09/2014 07:49

Sorry Alis, you're right, I probably shouldn't have clicked on it. It's just that people like the OP, in respect of what she's shown us of herself, don't bring anything positive to other women's lives and that annoys me. Bitchiness is vile, and that's all her OP is, really. She's putting another mother down so she can feel smug for a bit and I don't think that's the way forward for us.

MardyBra · 02/09/2014 07:50

I would have judged.

But I wouldn't have posted about it on Aibu where all the "holier than thou" brigade can flame you for it.

EarthWindFire · 02/09/2014 07:53

I'm certainly not 'holier than though' but I certainly don't go about judging people and their lives when I know absolutely nothing about them.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 02/09/2014 08:04

The kids could have ASD, but since it only affects 1% of the population, there's a 99% chance they're just typical kids absorbed in technology.

My dcs are part of that 1%. And I'm tired of people making judgements about them when we're out in public. Perhaps people could just simply give others the benefit of the doubt. Or mind their own business. Hmm

When I see people out with their kids doing this I thinks it is lazy parenting, easier to put the head phones on and switch off than getting involved with them.

Lazy parenting might be not bothering to take the dcs out at all in my house. Taking the dcs out is an enormous undertaking, as it takes tons of patience, preparation, and work to get ds1 through a public meal. His coping skills in public places are minimal, mainly due to sensory problems, and in restaurants he is pushed to his limit. But if I never take him anywhere, he would become a hermit, which I suspect would also be considered unhealthy. Hmm More judgement then. Not to mention his brother needs to go out of the house and experience things as well. So we struggle through meals in public sometimes, using headphones or an ipad or whatever it takes to allow him to cope.

But for as long as we put up the sn argument on every thread we are stifling the point of the thread which is a debate.

There is something to be debated here: the use of gadgetry at a table to excuse each other from actual communication. Which I think is pretty appalling, I don't care how end of tether the woman is, surely the lot of them could have unplugged themselves while eating?!

Debate all you like, but I still feel that it's important for people to be open minded enough to recognise that for some, it may be a necessity. The "sn argument" as you so charmingly put it (quite neatly tying us up in a little package and dismissing us as negligible IMO) is denying the fact that people with disabilities and special needs are part of society. Kindly don't be so quick to dismiss them. They matter. And let's show a bit of compassion - perhaps there aren't any SNs involved, but one would think you could possibly sympathise with the idea that perhaps the mum is struggling and needed the down time. But hey, no, even though her kids are quiet and not bothering anyone, let's find some sort of stick to beat her with anyway. After all, we "don't care how end of tether the woman is" do we? Hmm

As kids, we were never allowed to read books at the table, no matter where we were eating; how is this any different? It's basic manners.

I wasn't allowed to read at the table when growing up either. And my dd wasn't. However, now that dd is an adult, and ds1 has disabilities that means sometimes he struggles, especially in restaurants, I am prepared to bend the rules in order to allow him to cope and to keep him from causing a disturbance that might upset other people in the vicinity.

So nice to know that if I don't give him the tech stuff or headphones, when he makes noise or has a meltdown, that people will judge. But if I give it to him, people will STILL judge. And people wonder why we feel attacked and singled out? Seriously? Hmm It doesn't matter what we do, people seem to feel that we are wrong... oh wait... people are never on here judging parents for not taking their child with disabilities or SNs out in public... interesting, isn't it?

Ragwort · 02/09/2014 08:05

Agree with MardyBra - I would judge as well, why go out to eat if you are all glued to your gadgets? (and yes, of course, we have to say 'SN excepted').

My nephew came to stay recently, his house 'rules' allow him to be glued to his mobile all the time, we made it clear that our house rules are different Grin - he accepted that, put his mobile away and seemed to enjoy our company.

Of course it's none of anyone's business but 90% of what is discussed on Mumsnet is nobody's business.

And I know this will make me sound very old fashioned but I work with young people and their social skills can be very limited - because they don't seem to know how to make conversation and interact with people.

MyFairyKing · 02/09/2014 08:09

Why do some people always assume the worst in others? Woman in restaurant with her children and all on devices = lazy parenting. There could be many extenuating circumstances and maybe she was having a relaxed day after her usual no rule of no screens at tables. Or maybe she genuinely is a lazy parent. I am far from perfect but I try not to assume the worst in someone based on a snapshot of their lives.

We all make snap judgments on people, it's human nature. Posting about something like this on a parenting forum is a bit shit IMO. I know, I know I don't have to read it but it's a free country, so I am commenting.

Alsoflamingo · 02/09/2014 08:09

I agree. I think it's hugely depressing. Sadly, a very common fact of life these days.

NoWayYesWay · 02/09/2014 08:17

YABU. (Hopefully, optimistically) It's possible that they had a really busy engaged day and that they just needed to eat and for the Mum to catch up on work. It just a snapshot.

Krakken · 02/09/2014 08:17

I think you're getting a slating because you've focused on a
Particular mum in a particular scenario but if you'd asked for people's opinions on the use of gadgets for children in a restaurant, I think you would have had more people sharing your viewpoint.
I think the use of technology is excessive. It's addictive and people get miserable without it. There is definitely discussion to be had on people's reliance on it, especially children.

LiverpoolLou · 02/09/2014 08:27

Are we the only household who don't talk around the table? We chatter and talk all the time away from the table and we're together pretty much all the time, but once we sit down to eat everyone is silent. Not coerced or anything, we just don't talk round the table. Books and phones do come out though.

Luxaroma · 02/09/2014 08:34

We've been known to do this at the end of a holiday where we have eaten on 3 times a day together - spent all day together and we are all really just craving some me time. It won't affect their ability to socialise because they only get to do it probably 2-3 times a year. We don't have gadgets at the table, we don't have the tv or radio on, we always sit at the table and eat with our kids but just every now and then after 2 weeks of 24/7, we all need a break - apologies for my poor parenting. Blush
So judge away but your lack of understanding about what has gone on before Pizza Hut severely limits your insight.

Ragwort · 02/09/2014 09:24

Krakken - very reasonable comment.

It is just as bad to see a group of adults sitting at a table with their technological gadgets - people do seem addicted technology (and yes, I am very aware that I spend too much time on Mumsnet Grin).

OcadoSubstitutedMyHummus · 02/09/2014 09:24

I clicked on this expecting that the children had been running riot, fingering all the pizza on the bugget, throwing salad around. Not sitting quietly abeit plugged into technology. I'm not a massive fan of kids being on ipads in restaurants but I do use it myself for my toddler towards the end of the meal when their patience has gone. Better that than the alternative for other diners.

passmethewineplease · 02/09/2014 09:30

YABU. Would you of preferred them running riot and shouting? Pretty sure there would be a thread about that too.

My sister lets her DS watch things on the phone, it's either that or he will do an incredibly annoying high pitched scream till you get him out of the high chair. I know what I'd prefer and he's my nephew. Grin

Maybe it was a bit too much but maybe the Mum had had a tough six weeks and just wanted some peace and bloody quiet?

Ilovexmastime · 02/09/2014 09:35

If I had been there OP, I probably would have judged too. Then I would have got my MN voice in my head telling me that there could be all sorts of reasons why they were all plugged into their gadgets, then I would have told my MN voice that imo there is no excuse for gadgets at the table, and then my MN voice would have argued back with all the different excuses it could think of, while I dismissed them all... until we reached the argument that all 3 of them could have SN. At that point in the argument I would have to concede that there was that possibility, but that it was a slim possibility and so statistically it was just lazy parenting.
Welcome to my head.
I might add that these thoughts would flit through my head in the space of seconds, it's not something that would majorly bother me, afterall, they're not my kids and it's none of my business. But I cannot deny that the scenario wouldn't register with me as a sign of the times.