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To not be bothered about sons ill father..

120 replies

OwllwOOwllwO · 31/08/2014 16:23

I'm ready for a flaming but heres a 'brief' back story first.

I split from DS's father about 6yrs ago due to domestic violence and the fact that I wasn't allowed to go out/work/see friends/family etc. I was petrified of him and I only managed to escape by informing the police that he was a drug dealer. He ended up getting 4yrs and spent 2 inside. During this time I moved to London with my DS and started a degree. I was going back and forth to court as the grandparents were trying to gain custody on my exes behalf. My ex and his family were having phone calls whenever they wanted to but my ex always swore down the phone and told my DS that he should spit/kick me etc. The court decided that contact should stop between my DS and his father.
Once ex was out of prison court carried on. Mediation was given a go but my ex would just accuse me of poisoning my DS against him (I never he is old enough to remember seeing his dad abuse me etc). Ex was given the right to weekly phone calls which my DS refused to speak and still doesn't until this day (Over 4yrs). 2 years ago my ex was given contact of 6 times a year to happen at a contact centre during the holidays/half term. He saw him twice after court finished in July 2012 and hasn't seen him since although he will still phone and my DS still doesn't speak.

A couple of months ago my ex found out where I worked and came into the store shouting abuse and threatening me. He also went to one of my close friends house and told her to tell me to 'watch my back'. These both happened within a week and I called the police for harassment. He was arrested and is due in court the end of September.

So the problem is this..
Yesterday my above mentioned friend had a phone call from my exes sister. (The family doesn't have my number). She had called my friend in tears saying tell Owl to call us as something bad has happened to Ex. So I called the sister and she was crying down the phone saying that Ex is ill and needs to see his son. She then put my ex on the phone who told me he's been diagnosed with cancer and apparently it's bad. I asked what stage is it which he didn't have a clue and just said he's going for more tests this week. He wanted to speak to DS which I gave DS the phone, who remained silent as always. Ex wants to see DS 'one last time' although DS is adamant that he doesn't want to see his dad. I explained to DS that his father is ill but DS just shrugged it off. Should I take DS to see is dad? Should I found out how serious it is before I decide? Should DS be the one to decide as he is 11? To be honest knowing my ex and his ways it could all be a lie and could endanger me but who in the right mind would lie about something so serious? I said to him I would call back the end of next week so he can tell me his results. I may sound cold hearted but this guy put me through so much sh!t and I really don't care what happens to him. I'm more worried about how my DS will feel in the future if it does turn out to be serious.

OP posts:
OwllwOOwllwO · 31/08/2014 16:24

Sorry it's so long!

OP posts:
Katrose · 31/08/2014 16:25

No. Don't let him see his father.

SoonToBeSix · 31/08/2014 16:26

I would tell ds he needs to see his father. He is not mature enough to make the decision himself but may very well regret it if he doesn't.

HermioneWeasley · 31/08/2014 16:26

You owe him nothing. Frankly the whole story sounds like bullshit. If he does have terminal cancer, you can discuss with your DS and see if he wants to visit his father. Even if he is diagnosed with something terminal today the chances are you still have weeks or months for your DS to make his decision.

Sorry your ex is such a cunt.

Username12345 · 31/08/2014 16:27

I asked what stage is it which he didn't have a clue

I think it's a lie. And may be a manipulative trick.

Don't let him see his father. You son has already said he doesn't want to see him, so just leave it.

SoonToBeSix · 31/08/2014 16:28

I disagree katrose his father may not be a nice person but he is still his father. If his father is dying and he doesn't get chance to say goodbye it could affect him psychologically long term.

VerucaInTheNutRoom · 31/08/2014 16:28

I would be wary, if might be a load of bullshit. If it's not, then I would encourage DS to see his dad 'one last time' if it really is cancer and at an advanced stage. He may regret not going to see his dad when he's older.

callamia · 31/08/2014 16:29

It sounds like your son is sensible enough to make up his own mind. When you know more, sit down and have a real heart to heart with him - make it clear that you won't be upset if he does want to see his dad, or you won't think badly if him if he doesn't. Also, he can change his mind at any time - it's his call.

I'm sure your ex's family won't like it if he doesn't want to see him - but it sounds like he's every reason to not want to. I'd just remain on your son's side. If it is a serious illness, then it's a difficult decision for your son - so he'll just need your support.

Iconfuseus · 31/08/2014 16:29

I think the circumstances are probably irrelevant.

Your son has decided he doesn't want to speak to his father. Given what he has put you all through I don't blame him.

I would wait and see what happens when he goes to court in September.

I certainly wouldn't take your son to see him before then. He has threatened you. What if he hurts you or your DS?

Don't allow yourself to be manipulated by his friends and family.

Icimoi · 31/08/2014 16:29

I'm with you, I'd be very cautious about accepting this story. If it is cancer at a close to terminal stage, I'm quite sceptical that he'd be at his sister's house. Did he say what type of cancer it is?

sussexman · 31/08/2014 16:29

Owl, Assuming there is or could be a safe intermediary, I'd want to know exactly what is going on - your question about stage is right on the money. Then, if it really is serious and life changing have a discussion with your son, and if he so chooses meet somewhere safe. Otherwise your instincts seem spot on, and no YANBU.

HomeIsWhereTheHeartIs · 31/08/2014 16:30

Do you believe him? If he doesn't even know what stage the cancer is at, how can he know it is terminal? I would sit tight for now, and maybe rethink if ex is admitted to hospital or a hospice.

BitchPeas · 31/08/2014 16:30

It's a bullshit lie. Ignore.

Timeforabiscuit · 31/08/2014 16:30

No - I really wouldn't , it doesn't sound like a formal diagnosis, it sounds like a head fuck.

SoonToBeSix · 31/08/2014 16:30

Op I don't want to go into details but I am speaking from personal experience of not seeing my own birth father when he was dying. It affected me a great deal for a long time. It isn't about your ds fathers right to see your ds it is your ds right to see him .

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/08/2014 16:30

'Luke, it's a trap'.

SoonToBeSix · 31/08/2014 16:31

Obviously only have them meet once you know he really is dying/ seriously ill.

cankles · 31/08/2014 16:32

Wait before you do anything else. Your ex is having further tests, get the results and then think about making a decision. Go back to your own Social Worker and if contact needs to be set up, do it through them, if you can. Don't leave yourself or your dc vulnerable x

TeWiSavesTheDay · 31/08/2014 16:32

Arrange contact at the contact centre.

Definitely do not take him to visit informally.

Sadly people do lie about dying, it's q horrible thing to do but so is being an abusive arsehole.

I would be very sceptical.

Also even if he is dying, he's not likely to suddenly become a great father because of it. Limited supervised contact was all that was deemed appropriate and I definitely wouldn't offer any more than that.

WiggleGinger · 31/08/2014 16:33

Honestly? I think its a lie!

You DS can make his own mind up, don't fall for the "he might regret it in years to come" he might well, but he certainly will right now, as he doesn't want to go!

I'd ask for further details & ask to meet at the contact centre so all is still above board & DS safety (and yours) are out first!

Stay strong x

Timeforabiscuit · 31/08/2014 16:33

.. Sorry just to add, the best lie is half a truth - I don't doubt that there is something wrong that he is having tests for possible cancer - but its a long road between tests and deathbed.

PumpkinBones · 31/08/2014 16:34

Unfortunately people do lie about this sort of thing. People who are a lot like you ex sounds. I would wait and get further information before going ahead with a visit. Yes, it may be something your ds regrets when he is older, equally if it turns out to he a lie, that could also be damaging.

drudgetrudy · 31/08/2014 16:38

When he appears in court you are likely to find out how much of this is true,- until you have some confirmation I wouldn't do anything. He is very unlikely to die within a short time. If he really is ill you will have time to talk it all through with your son and perhaps get some outside advice.
If they contact you again just say you are thinking about it.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp · 31/08/2014 16:39

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book (Den/Angie Watts, anyone?) and a classic abusers tactic. I'm not saying it's definitely a lie, obviously I can't know that, but I would be very very careful, ask for proof (of diagnosis), do not visit anywhere except supervised contact centre, do not allow his family to take Ds anywhere etc. even if it is true, do not let this sway your judgement of what is best for your Ds. Once an abuser, always an abuser.

LadySybilLikesCake · 31/08/2014 16:40

"It isn't about your ds fathers right to see your ds it is your ds right to see him ." < This. But if your child doesn't want to see him, it would be wrong to force him. It sounds like their relationship was destroyed many years ago, your son has no bond to him and whether he's sick or not, the only person who would benefit from this is his father. It smells of game play to me to be honest, I'd ignore it too.