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seriously want other people's views: did I totally screw up ?

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atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 13:38

This is really eating me up so I need to hear it straight from MNers. Bust up with friend and I just want to know if it was my fault or not (either way, things won't change but I want to know if I was an arse). Sorry this is long but I want to give all the details so the picture is accurate.

Long story short, colleague/friend has massive fertility problems, been having IVF for years. Not going well. A few months ago she finally got pregnant through egg donation. A few weeks earlier I had conceived my second child (naturally, super fast conception just like my first, no real stage of "trying" or planning).

I knew all the details of what was happening at every stage of her TTC. I asked her a lot about it (was trying to be supportive, but I realise now maybe I was being a bit intrusive too, which I massively regret, partly as I was curious about all the miraculous procedures).

My dilemma was, should I tell her I was pregnant? And if so, when exactly? She had said loads of times how hard it is for her to hear about friends' pregnancies, how she dreaded someone in our office getting pregnant, how she'd fallen out with so many friends who were insensitive, etc. At the time I started TTC (and immediatley did conceive) I knew she was about to have a shot at egg donation, and this was really make-or-break time for them. I didn't know what to do. I really wanted to do the right thing by her. The egg donation procedure looked very hopeful, so, I concluded the best thing was not to tell her until she had some good news going.

The process went well, she got pregnant after three years of trying everything. At that point I nearly told her my news too, so we could share our pregnancies together. But something told me to wait until we'd both got a bit further along. I was terrified I'd tell her "guess what, I'm pregnant!" and she'd miscarry the next day. So I kept quiet. And fate being what it is, she miscarried at 8 weeks. I couldn't believe how unfair life was being for her, it was awful. I honestly felt like, if someone had given me a choice, I would have had the miscarriage for her at that point and given up my own baby (knowing how easy it would be for me to conceive again, compared to her troubles). Obviously, at this point I didn't tell her I was pregnant.

Immediately after that we were both on leave for various periods of time so I didn't see her again until last week, when we had been apart for about a month. As I'm starting to show now, I knew I had to tell her. I emailed her at the weekend to tell her I was pregnant, that I knew that kind of news was hard for her, and that I really hoped things would work out for her and her husband v. soon.

Her reaction (to the email, and later in person) was that she wasn't upset I was pregnant but that she was furious I hadn't told her before. She said even if she was still pregnant now she would have been furious. She said various things which were v upsetting, all along the lines of I was two-faced, intrusive, a liar, etc.

I was gutted. I didn't respond, except to tell her I was sorry I had upset her so badly and it was the last thing I had wanted to do. I feel like total shit now and it's so uncomfortable at work. She made it clear that our friendship is basically over and I am scum.

I know there is no going back from this point, but I just want to know if this really was my fault. I am devastated that I upset her so much but I kind of think that whatever I had done, whenever I had told her, I would have made her mad.

For what it's worth, we have only recently told anyone about the pregnancy - she was one of the first to know - it wasn't that I had told everyone else and was keeping her in the dark. But I know she feels betrayed because I knew all the details of what was going on with her and she feels like I didn't pay it back, I guess. I just thought that in this situation, a good friend would shut up about their own issues and let all the attention be on her - the happiness excitement for HER pregnancy (at last!) rather than taking attention for myself. I felt like news of my pregnancy would be a distraction for her at such a crucial time.

Was I being unreasonable? Seriously, please tell me if I was. Also, should I try again why I did what I did? I have resisted the urge to send a long email going through all this (I don't think she'll let me have a converation about it) because I feel like whatever I say will just make things worse. But it is going to be awful having this hanging over us for the rest of our working lives.

OP posts:
amyhamster · 30/08/2014 13:42

:(
You poor thing
You've done nothing wrong
Her reaction shows that despite everything that's happened, if none of that had happened I mean, she's not a nice person
People don't call each other scum , especially at work
I think ultimately you might have to get your manager involved :(

TeaAndALemonTart · 30/08/2014 13:42

Honestly? You were not unreasonable at all. I think she will realise that too, just give her some time.

Congratulations by the way.

FiloPasty · 30/08/2014 13:42

I don't think so, and probably would of done the same in your position. Really feel for your friend though :(

Electriclaundryland · 30/08/2014 13:44

No, I don't think you were unreasonable. You did your best to be supportive. I hope she realises this when times are a little less tough for her.

Bue · 30/08/2014 13:47

OP, this is in no way your fault. I know your friend is really hurting right now, but her reaction is totally unreasonable.

WooWooOwl · 30/08/2014 13:47

You didnt do anything wrong.

She is using the fact that you didn't tell her earlier as a convenient excuse to have a go at you, because she is hurting that you have something she desperately wants.

I think you have been very understanding and supportive, and if she can't be the same for you, or at least try to be, then I wouldn't bother making any more effort with her.

sillymillyb · 30/08/2014 13:47

I don't think you were unreasonable, your intentions were good and you wanted the best for your friend.

I also disagree with the pp that your friend just isn't a nice person. She is grieving, and grief can be over whelming and unreasonable and harsh. I'm so sorry you were on the receiving end of that, but I think it's not personal. She is cross at the situation, not you iyswim.

I hope things work out for you both - and congratulations on your pregnancy!

Pico2 · 30/08/2014 13:49

No YANBU, even though you are good friends, it is none of her business when you chose to share your news. Why should she get a special right to know early?

AlpacaLypse · 30/08/2014 13:50

You were damned if you did tell her and damned if you didn't, judging by what you told us in the fourth paragraph of your OP.

owlbegoing · 30/08/2014 13:52

Echoing what everyone else has said.
I don't think that you had done anything wrong. It seems to me like a "damned if you do/damned if you don't" situation.
She may have reacted the same way if you'd told her right from the start!

owlbegoing · 30/08/2014 13:52

Oops, cross post with Alpaca Smile

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/08/2014 13:54

You did nothing whatsoever wrong, Atticus. I would agree that in situations like this, telling immediately is the best thing, no matter what her prognosis would have been. It would have been though, your having to hide GOOD news under her GOOD news. A twist on what politicians do maybe?

Whatever you would have done though, she wouldn't have borne to be around you right now as you have what she can't. You said it was a last chance for her and that is what smarts. She's lashing out at you because she can, because you'll take it, because you're her friend. It's not right but it is what happens. She's being ripped apart by her own wants and sadness and you're very kind and compassionate. She can't stand that right now either.

If it were me, I wouldn't try to talk bout it with her right now, she probably couldn't bear that. I think she will wake up to her unfairness once she gets over life's unfairness and she'll be wanting a friend then. You sound a fantastic friend; she's very lucky.

What to do? If it were me in your position, I'd send her a bunch of flowers (as they won't last forever to remind her but will make the point) - send them to her and her partner (don't forget him!) - and say how sorry you are, how sad you are for them both and that you'll be there for them/her when they're up to it.

Congratulations and don't feel in any way that you've offended her; it wouldn't have been possible not to but that isn't your doing at all. Thanks

Piffpaffpoff · 30/08/2014 13:54

I suspect that no matter how or when you told her, you would have got this reaction. As others have said, she's taking out her grief and frustration on you which, while not fair, is not unexpected given the background. What a sad situation for all of you to be in. I think you now have to sit back and let her make her way back to you if she wants to, but accept that it might not happen AND that it's not your fault if it doesn't.

CuddlesAndShit · 30/08/2014 13:56

You haven't done anything wrong, you sound very caring actually. Unfortunately I don't think you would have ever done the right thing as far as your friend is concerned, I doubt she would have reacted any better had you told her earlier.

I don't know what to suggest, do you really want to save this friendship? Regardless of her very sad circumstances, it doesn't excuse her awful treatment of you. I hope you are ok, it must be very upsetting to be put in this position.

atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 13:56

Thanks everyone, that's such a relief to hear. I've really been going mad the last few days and wondering if I was totally and utterly wrong.

amyhamste she didn't call me scum, she just said things which made me feel like scum. She alluded to various things implying I was a liar and I really didn't know what she was talking about, but in the situation there was absolutely no way to ask her to expalin so we could discuss properly so I just had to let it drop.
I feel marginally better knowing that other people think it wasn't my fault. Of course, that won't change the situation between us, unfortunately.
And no, it's not her fault either. She is a lovely, kind, caring, generous, beautiful person. The world would be a hell of a lot better with more people like her in it - which makes the infertility even more cruel. I am not mad at her for being mad at me, I'm just desperately sad.

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maddy68 · 30/08/2014 13:56

To be fair you could never have picked a good time.

I think you need to realise that you did nothing wrong and this is her issue not yours

Leave her alone, if she really values your friendship she'll come back if she doesn't then you will find other friends
She is obviously hurting

HaroldLloyd · 30/08/2014 13:57

No, I don't think your to blame. It's very hard to tell a friend in that situation you are pregnant, you had very good reason to hold off.

I've been in a similar awful situation with telling someone.

CuddlesAndShit · 30/08/2014 13:58

Cross posted with errrr...almost everyone Grin

ViviPru · 30/08/2014 13:58

I'd have handled it exactly the same way, OP. What a terrible set of circumstances. Be patient with her but don't give yourself too much of a hard time.

DarceyBustle · 30/08/2014 14:00

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Drquin · 30/08/2014 14:01

No, I don't think you did anything wrong. With the greatest of respect to your friend, I doubt very much you'd ever have got the timing "right" in her eyes. Too early, and you'd have been insensitive; too late and you'd have been hiding it, not confiding in her. As above, damned if you and damned if you don't.

Hopefully you can rebuild your friendship, and that your own pregnancy progresses well and you keep well.

Viviennemary · 30/08/2014 14:01

It wasn't your fault. There's a saying, 'you can't do right for doing wrong.' And this applies to you. You did your very best to be sensitive and not upset your friend. She's still upset. I agree with leave her alone for the time being. She is in a bad place but that is not your fault and nothing to do with how you behaved.

atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 14:01

lyingwitch with hindsight, I think you're totally right. I should have told her when she got her initial good news. Then if things worked out for us both, it would have been good. If it had turned out badly for her (like it did) I guess she would have been totally immersed in that rather than thinking for one second about what was going on with me. I just was terrified of her having a miscarriage knowing that I was pregnant, like the unfairness of this would make it worse for her somehow. But maybe that was me being egotistical. It never occured to me that it would even worse to tell her I was pregnant AFTER she'd had a miscarriage - I just couldn't really believe that migth happen after everythign she'd already been through.
I realise I screwed up, but I know I didn't do it because I was being thoughtless - I thought about the situation endlessly and had to make a choice. I made the wrong one and she hates me for it, but I made the wrong choice from stupidity rather than malice.

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DiaDuit · 30/08/2014 14:01

You were not in the wrong at all OP. your friend does not have a right to that information. She doesnt (regardless of what she is going through) get a say in when you tell people, her included. It is your information and your decision aboyt when to tell. She has no right to know anything that you dont want to tell just because she chose to tell you lots of information.

I am so sorry she has reacte this way. Please enjoy your pregnancy.

LatteLoverLovesLattes · 30/08/2014 14:01
Flowers

Congratulations on your pregnancy :)

You have been a lovely, lovely friend - very caring and compassionate. I think you were on a no win with this no matter what you did, so don't beat yourself up about it.

You weren't being 'intrusive' you were being 'interested'. She is an adult, if she didn't want to discuss it with you, all she had to do was say so.

She is in a very difficult place right now (understatment :( ) and I wouldn't hold any of it against her. Not a bit.

If it was me, I would c&p your OP, edit it a bit (just for she/you etc) but don't really change it and send it to her. You can't make it worse and you might actually help her work through this if she knows what you were thinking at each 'stage'.

I would end it by saying something like 'I really value our friendship and I am sorry you are hurting so badly. I know that right now it's probably very hard for you for us to be friends, but I hope that in time you can see that my decision came from a place of care/love/friendship and that no matter when I told you this would have been very hard to deal with. I hope in time we can be friends again.