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seriously want other people's views: did I totally screw up ?

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atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 13:38

This is really eating me up so I need to hear it straight from MNers. Bust up with friend and I just want to know if it was my fault or not (either way, things won't change but I want to know if I was an arse). Sorry this is long but I want to give all the details so the picture is accurate.

Long story short, colleague/friend has massive fertility problems, been having IVF for years. Not going well. A few months ago she finally got pregnant through egg donation. A few weeks earlier I had conceived my second child (naturally, super fast conception just like my first, no real stage of "trying" or planning).

I knew all the details of what was happening at every stage of her TTC. I asked her a lot about it (was trying to be supportive, but I realise now maybe I was being a bit intrusive too, which I massively regret, partly as I was curious about all the miraculous procedures).

My dilemma was, should I tell her I was pregnant? And if so, when exactly? She had said loads of times how hard it is for her to hear about friends' pregnancies, how she dreaded someone in our office getting pregnant, how she'd fallen out with so many friends who were insensitive, etc. At the time I started TTC (and immediatley did conceive) I knew she was about to have a shot at egg donation, and this was really make-or-break time for them. I didn't know what to do. I really wanted to do the right thing by her. The egg donation procedure looked very hopeful, so, I concluded the best thing was not to tell her until she had some good news going.

The process went well, she got pregnant after three years of trying everything. At that point I nearly told her my news too, so we could share our pregnancies together. But something told me to wait until we'd both got a bit further along. I was terrified I'd tell her "guess what, I'm pregnant!" and she'd miscarry the next day. So I kept quiet. And fate being what it is, she miscarried at 8 weeks. I couldn't believe how unfair life was being for her, it was awful. I honestly felt like, if someone had given me a choice, I would have had the miscarriage for her at that point and given up my own baby (knowing how easy it would be for me to conceive again, compared to her troubles). Obviously, at this point I didn't tell her I was pregnant.

Immediately after that we were both on leave for various periods of time so I didn't see her again until last week, when we had been apart for about a month. As I'm starting to show now, I knew I had to tell her. I emailed her at the weekend to tell her I was pregnant, that I knew that kind of news was hard for her, and that I really hoped things would work out for her and her husband v. soon.

Her reaction (to the email, and later in person) was that she wasn't upset I was pregnant but that she was furious I hadn't told her before. She said even if she was still pregnant now she would have been furious. She said various things which were v upsetting, all along the lines of I was two-faced, intrusive, a liar, etc.

I was gutted. I didn't respond, except to tell her I was sorry I had upset her so badly and it was the last thing I had wanted to do. I feel like total shit now and it's so uncomfortable at work. She made it clear that our friendship is basically over and I am scum.

I know there is no going back from this point, but I just want to know if this really was my fault. I am devastated that I upset her so much but I kind of think that whatever I had done, whenever I had told her, I would have made her mad.

For what it's worth, we have only recently told anyone about the pregnancy - she was one of the first to know - it wasn't that I had told everyone else and was keeping her in the dark. But I know she feels betrayed because I knew all the details of what was going on with her and she feels like I didn't pay it back, I guess. I just thought that in this situation, a good friend would shut up about their own issues and let all the attention be on her - the happiness excitement for HER pregnancy (at last!) rather than taking attention for myself. I felt like news of my pregnancy would be a distraction for her at such a crucial time.

Was I being unreasonable? Seriously, please tell me if I was. Also, should I try again why I did what I did? I have resisted the urge to send a long email going through all this (I don't think she'll let me have a converation about it) because I feel like whatever I say will just make things worse. But it is going to be awful having this hanging over us for the rest of our working lives.

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BerylStreep · 30/08/2014 15:48

YANBU.

Hard though it is on your friend, she can't expect everyone else to plan their families around her conception issues. Her reaction is one of jealousy and grief, but she is way out of line. She wants to be angry with someone.

I don't know what else you could have done, other than not get pregnant.

Good luck BTW with your pregnancy.

whatever5 · 30/08/2014 15:51

OP's friend was at liberty not to answer; same as OP was free to ask. OP is being judged by her friend for having kept silent about the pregnancy when it was OP's decision and OP made that decision with friend in mind.

She was at liberty not to answer although she perhaps wouldn't find that easy to do. Anyway, I would expect a friend not to ask me personal questions about something if they weren't willing to divulge similar personal details about themselves.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2014 15:57

Two friends have dialogue and history about a difficult topic.no one has been betrayed
Trying to be sensitive doesn't equate to pity.although unintentionally it may feel like that
The unfortunate reality is everyone else being pg when you are desperate to be,is a hard place

whatever5 · 30/08/2014 16:04

I agree that the OP's intentions were good and she didn't betray or pity her friend. However, I can see that from her friend point of view, it may look that way (at the moment).

GoblinLittleOwl · 30/08/2014 17:33

Your poor, poor friend; she has been given something she desperately wanted, only to have it snatched away, and she has lashed out at the first opportunity.
There is nothing you could do to make it any different, but she will be feeling so bitter and will probably remain so throughout your pregnancy. It is up to you to forgive her, keep your friendship open and wait for her to resume it.

picak · 30/08/2014 17:55

You did nothing wrong.

Your friend on the other hand is in the anger stage of deep grief. She is irrational, unfair and lashing out. This is wrong of her - but having been there I can testify that it's not always something you can help.

I've been on the receiving end of this behaviour too so I feel for you. Can you see this as an illness your friend is suffering from? Can you be the bigger person and grit your teeth at how unfair it is and sendflowers and an "I'll always be there for you text?"

I can't emphasise enough how NOT in the wrong you are tho.

Surreyblah · 30/08/2014 18:00

Agree with pp that info on your pregnancy was yours to share when you wished, and that her reaction was unreasonable. But think it was insensitive of you to ask lots of Qs about her treatment when you were not being open with her about ttc/pregnancy.

Am also Shock by your comment that you "would have had the miscarriage for her at that point and given up my own baby (knowing how easy it would be for me to conceive again)".

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 30/08/2014 18:22

Atticus, you were in a very tricky place and you did nothing wrong. However horrible it may be to feel pitied, it is a natural human emotion. It would be even worse if nobody cared, surely?

A very long time ago a friend of mine was pregnant at the same time as me. Very sadly, she had a very late miscarriage. A mutual friend passed this news on to me at their request and asked me not to contact them, which I totally understood in the circumstances.

I felt, however, that I had to tell two other friends because I had seen them not long before and had said something about our friend's pregnancy, assuming they would already know - they were closer to her than I was. However, they hadn't known. I was worried that they would say something about the baby the next time they were in touch, which would obviously have been very hurtful. I advised them not to say anything about it for the time being as it was all very raw.

One of them then sent a condolences card to my friend and her husband. They went apeshit. The husband rang me and told me that their personal tragedy was not something for me to gossip about. The card-sender told me that when he spoke to the husband the friend was yelling in the background 'Tell Mimsy I hate her!'

It was awful. I never spoke to either of them again and I used to have nightmares about it for years afterwards. So I feel for you and I hope you have a better outcome than I had.

CarbeDiem · 30/08/2014 18:30

You have done nothing wrong OP and in your shoes I would have done exactly the same.
It's unfair how she reacted but understandable I suppose, as she will be hurting.
If you are able, let her know you are there for her and leave it at that.
She'll realise why you didn't say anything sooner.
Take care of yourself and Congratulations on your pregnancy Xx

SierpinskiNumber · 30/08/2014 18:32

I'm a bit shocked by some of the posts on this thread. I think the OP did exactly the right thing. She had to make a call about the best way to break the news and she had to do this without the benefit of a crystal ball.

I think the friend has been quite unkind really. I would feel sorry for her (or anyone who has infertility problems) but I really wouldn't want to continue any sort of relationship with her.

If I was the OP I wouldn't do anything else. The OP has already replied to say she was sorry and hadn't intended to cause any upset. I don't see what more there is to add.

OP, I really don't think you should worry about this anymore.

bananaleaf · 30/08/2014 19:02

YANBU
I've been in a similar situation with my SIL but from the other side.
I was having fertility treatment, naturally I am very private and I would have preferred not to discuss it really, but my DH had told her and she asked about it every time we saw them. In the interest of trying to fit in to the family and force myself to be a bit more open I answered all her questions etc.
A few weeks later they announced she was pg. I was genuinely pleased for them. When I found out how far along she was (>12 weeks) though I have to admit to feeling pretty annoyed that I'd been quizzed about my situation whilst all the while she was pg herself and said nothing!
But then I realised it was none of my business. It was her prerogative to share her personal business as and when it suited her.

Her issues and your pregnancy are completely separate things. Of course it will be hard for your friend to see it that way but it's no-ones business but yours when you decide to tell your news.

PrincessTheresaofLiechtenstein · 30/08/2014 19:09

Well...When I was struggling after a mc and then failed IVF, I would have hated to know that my close friend, knowing what I was going through, had been pg all that time. I agree that there was no good time to say it really, I see how you did it out of kindness, if her pregnancy had progressed there would have been no issue...but yes, I think you should have been honest. I don't say this to make you feel bad, you are obviously kind and considerate...I just think it is important to state this point of view in case there are others reading who have a similar dilemma.

I hope your friend can see your good intentions in time Thanks

londonrach · 30/08/2014 19:19

Tbh both you and your friend have reacted as any reasonable person would. She is hurt, not by you by her situation. You damed if you had told her or not. Can understand how upset she is (using mild words here compared to how she must feel). Congratulations and fingers crossed your friend gets some good news soon xxxx

fun1nthesun · 30/08/2014 19:26

This is not going to be a popular answer.

Your friend is quite obviously going through alot. No two ways about it.

However. I find this idea that "I'm going through alot so nobody else;s life or feelings matter, the world must adapt to suit me because I have had some bad luck" unfair and unrealistic. The ensuing flouncing/rudeness/blanking are more of the same.

For some reason, people have normalised that they should be treated with kid gloves because they are having a bad time and can steam roll over everyone else, and behave much worse than anyone else would. I do not agree. She has not stopped being a member of the human race because she's having a bad time. It sounds as if you have done everything you can to be sensitive to her feelings and quite honestly, she is being unnecessarily rude back.

I have every sympathy for your friend who is having a terrible time, but I wonder if she would have any sympathy for anyone else but herself at this time.

LadyCordeliaFlyte · 30/08/2014 19:31

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longestlurkerever · 30/08/2014 19:42

I have had multiple miscarriages and I would not have reacted the way your friend has, but I do understand a bit why she feels hurt. You encouraged her to confide in you but didn't do the same. She will be feeling a bit humiliated by you allowing her to talk without opening up yourself and this has become a focus for all the frankly ugly feelings she will be going through right now. I agree that if you can be the bigger person she will probably come to realise she is being unreasonable. I hope so. You sound like a good friend who made one wrong call about how to react to a difficult situation. I do think it was the wrong call though in the circumstances. She probably doesn't see it as trying to spare her feelings but more that you didn't trust her with your intimate stuff the way she trusted you, and that she has misjudged your relationship.

whatever5 · 30/08/2014 19:42

Some of the posts on this thread are incredibly insensitive and just demonstrate that some people have no clue what it feels like to have infertility problems or miscarriage. The OP obviously can't put her life on hold but at the same time I do think that she could have handled things a bit better (although her heart was definitely in the right place). I don't agree at all that her friend would have had the same kind of reaction whatever she did.
A friend of mine got pregnant just after my third miscarriage. She did tell me straight away and that absolutely was the best thing to do in my opinion.

pixiegumboot · 30/08/2014 20:00

Send her an email with your last paragraph word for word and wait for her to respond. Might never happen, might take years, but I think your intentions were honourable and no more needs to be said. If work becomes a problem repeat email verbally.

pixiegumboot · 30/08/2014 20:03

Second to last paragraph

londonrach · 30/08/2014 20:19

Lady your comments could really upset someone

flanjabelle · 30/08/2014 20:19

In your shoes I think I would have done the same thing.

The only thing I would do now is send an email saying something like:

I am so sorry I have hurt you unintentionally, that was never my aim. . I hope that you can see that I care deeply about you and would like to get our friendship back on track, but I understand if that is not possible. Take care.

I think the reason I would send that is because I couldn't leave it as it is, not because it would actually help. I think this is a lost cause :(

Mrsbagface · 30/08/2014 20:24

My congratulations were sincerely meant. The Op asked for honesty and I have given it to her. There are two sides to every story. The op sees fit to mention her super fertility THREE times in her opening post and my hunch is that it seems important to her for people to know this and that that translates to real life even if she does not realise it. That would make her a pretty unbearable person to be around for someone with fertility issues. I think there is more to this than the op's wide eyed innocent 'but what did I do wrong?'

Cordelia, your comment about people with fertility issues not being meant to be pregnant is vile, truly. I say this with no agenda as I have 4 dcs myself but there is a nasty undertone on this thread that casts the ops friend as bitter and selfish and is in part very insensitive towards people suffering fertility problems.

vezzie · 30/08/2014 20:44

It is very hard for relationships to recover from this kind of event. If you had knowingly or carelessly been a git to her, you could fulsomely apologise and do anything in your power to make it up to her. As you can't do this, best to say nothing substantive - because if you keep rationally repeating that you tried your best, the irrational (but totally understandable!) response "well your best wasn't good enough!" is no way forward and just keeps forcing your friend into a state where she has to more and more polarise your "duplicity" as opposed to her vulnerability.

Maybe she just doesn't want any friends with babies or pregnancies or small children right now, no matter how they behave it is just too hard for her, so subconsciously she has to create a rift due to them having unconscionably let her down (and maybe this is what she did with the others too, that she told you about - so what you took as a message saying "don't you ever be all me-me-me round me with your pregnancy!" was actually telling you "I can't be friends with pregnant women right now!") - as more consciously acceptable than her just dropping you as you are too painful for her to be around, through no fault of her own.

If you would like to rekindle the friendship, get her a message that you will be there for her whenever, no matter how long it takes, and you are sorry for anything you have done to hurt her. then leave it and don't get your hopes up.

RedRoom · 30/08/2014 21:47

You've done your best to avoid hurting her, so no YANBU. However, I can definitely see it from her POV. She's upset because you've taken a great interest in asking about every step of her own infertility, miscarriage and TTC, but have kept your own business private. She probably feels very jealous but also quite betrayed because your news has come as a shock to her: the sharing has not been mutual and you have listened to her pour her heart out whilst hiding things from her.

There are seemingly a lot of women on here who have had no problems conceiving and who don't seem to realise just how all-consuming infertility and miscarriage can be. Trying to be happy and celebrate another woman's pregnancy when you yourself are still bleeding from a miscarriage, or are broke from yet another round of IVF, or haven't even had a period for 6 months is very, very difficult. Of course she should be thrilled by your news, and you have every right to be overjoyed. But she's human and hurting. Don't give up on her, like one poster suggested that you do. She will come round but she needs to deal with her own grief first.

RedRoom · 30/08/2014 21:49

Oh, and LadyCordelia: your comment disgusts me.

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