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seriously want other people's views: did I totally screw up ?

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atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 13:38

This is really eating me up so I need to hear it straight from MNers. Bust up with friend and I just want to know if it was my fault or not (either way, things won't change but I want to know if I was an arse). Sorry this is long but I want to give all the details so the picture is accurate.

Long story short, colleague/friend has massive fertility problems, been having IVF for years. Not going well. A few months ago she finally got pregnant through egg donation. A few weeks earlier I had conceived my second child (naturally, super fast conception just like my first, no real stage of "trying" or planning).

I knew all the details of what was happening at every stage of her TTC. I asked her a lot about it (was trying to be supportive, but I realise now maybe I was being a bit intrusive too, which I massively regret, partly as I was curious about all the miraculous procedures).

My dilemma was, should I tell her I was pregnant? And if so, when exactly? She had said loads of times how hard it is for her to hear about friends' pregnancies, how she dreaded someone in our office getting pregnant, how she'd fallen out with so many friends who were insensitive, etc. At the time I started TTC (and immediatley did conceive) I knew she was about to have a shot at egg donation, and this was really make-or-break time for them. I didn't know what to do. I really wanted to do the right thing by her. The egg donation procedure looked very hopeful, so, I concluded the best thing was not to tell her until she had some good news going.

The process went well, she got pregnant after three years of trying everything. At that point I nearly told her my news too, so we could share our pregnancies together. But something told me to wait until we'd both got a bit further along. I was terrified I'd tell her "guess what, I'm pregnant!" and she'd miscarry the next day. So I kept quiet. And fate being what it is, she miscarried at 8 weeks. I couldn't believe how unfair life was being for her, it was awful. I honestly felt like, if someone had given me a choice, I would have had the miscarriage for her at that point and given up my own baby (knowing how easy it would be for me to conceive again, compared to her troubles). Obviously, at this point I didn't tell her I was pregnant.

Immediately after that we were both on leave for various periods of time so I didn't see her again until last week, when we had been apart for about a month. As I'm starting to show now, I knew I had to tell her. I emailed her at the weekend to tell her I was pregnant, that I knew that kind of news was hard for her, and that I really hoped things would work out for her and her husband v. soon.

Her reaction (to the email, and later in person) was that she wasn't upset I was pregnant but that she was furious I hadn't told her before. She said even if she was still pregnant now she would have been furious. She said various things which were v upsetting, all along the lines of I was two-faced, intrusive, a liar, etc.

I was gutted. I didn't respond, except to tell her I was sorry I had upset her so badly and it was the last thing I had wanted to do. I feel like total shit now and it's so uncomfortable at work. She made it clear that our friendship is basically over and I am scum.

I know there is no going back from this point, but I just want to know if this really was my fault. I am devastated that I upset her so much but I kind of think that whatever I had done, whenever I had told her, I would have made her mad.

For what it's worth, we have only recently told anyone about the pregnancy - she was one of the first to know - it wasn't that I had told everyone else and was keeping her in the dark. But I know she feels betrayed because I knew all the details of what was going on with her and she feels like I didn't pay it back, I guess. I just thought that in this situation, a good friend would shut up about their own issues and let all the attention be on her - the happiness excitement for HER pregnancy (at last!) rather than taking attention for myself. I felt like news of my pregnancy would be a distraction for her at such a crucial time.

Was I being unreasonable? Seriously, please tell me if I was. Also, should I try again why I did what I did? I have resisted the urge to send a long email going through all this (I don't think she'll let me have a converation about it) because I feel like whatever I say will just make things worse. But it is going to be awful having this hanging over us for the rest of our working lives.

OP posts:
Phineyj · 30/08/2014 14:35

Yes, MrsCakes puts it very well - being pitied is dreadful. Do send a card. I still treasure the one a friend sent me when we were in the depths of our troubles.

neolara · 30/08/2014 14:43

Grief can make people behave very oddly and anger is a totally normal part of the grieving process. Unfortunately you're now copping the flack.

After my 4th miscarriage a friend made a fairly innocuous comment but it gave me the rage. I didn't talk to her for 6 months and I never, ever fall out with people normally. In retrospect I realised I had been ridiculous but it took me a good while to get there.

I'm sorry you're going through this. It's not your fault. It will probably resolve itself with time.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2014 14:44

I dont think you've screwed up,thats a harsh reflection.its been hard on you both
Do write a letter,its easier to compose,she can read at her own leisure
Keep it open,let her know you're available to her

popmimiboo · 30/08/2014 14:47

Wow, I was in the same situation when I got pg with DC3. My best friend had been trying for 3 years (I had a 3 year old at the time so this was possibly already difficult for her) and was going through fertility treatment.
I feel pregnant about 2 days after stopping the pill and a month before she was due her first go at IVF.

Luckily, however her IVF worked. I remember the most awkward time was when she rushed round to tell me she'd had a bfp and I didn't want to steal her thunder by saying "me too" so still waited another month to tell her!

I really don't think you did anything wrong and now all you can do is leave the ball in her court. But don't beat yourself up about it when you know you did not do anything to deliberately hurt her.

Mrsbagface · 30/08/2014 14:52

You did nothing wrong. Have to say you do sound a wee bit smug though about how fertile you are and I wonder if she's picked up on that and it's contributed to her anger. There's no need to tell people you conceived super quick and immediately and I wonder if you boast like that IRL too - if so of course it's going to have got her goat. Congratulations on your pregnancy.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/08/2014 14:53

I thought some parts of MrsCakes post were pertinent; the pity is something that wouldn't necessarily be considered - as it the relationship imbalance. However, OP's friend chose to impart that information as she was free to do so. She obviously wanted somebody to talk to who was interested in the doings of IVF - not everybody IS interested.

I think it's out of order to in any way suggest that Atticus a) doesn't have free will to NOT disclose her own pregnancy news and b) that she was an arse (for what exactly?) and that the friend has a 'right' to feel betrayed.

The 'reflected drama' bit of that post doesn't deserve the dignity of a response really. It's a very unkind accusation and without giving any kind of example of where, it has no merit.

atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 14:55

Mrsbagface - I didn't mean it to be a boast. I was trying to give context, in the sense of, I wasn't spending months thinking about / trying to have a baby and planning it and deceiving her by not telling her all that time. It just happened pretty much by accident and then suddenly I had to decide what to do about telling her. If I'd been trying for a while I think it could have been different, maybe I would have told her I was trying, so it wouldn't be a shock. I don't know.

OP posts:
LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/08/2014 14:57

Mrsbagface... OP says HERE that she conceived superfast; I don't suppose she shared that information with her friend, nor gloated about being super-fertile, since she knows of friend's troubles conceiving?

Comments like "I wonder if you boast like that in RL too?" are horrible and I'd tell you to shove your tacked on 'congratulations on your pregnancy' if I were the OP. Hmm

mommy2ash · 30/08/2014 14:58

I don't think there is anything you could have done in this situation where you wouldn't have ended up the bad guy.

i feel very terribly sorry for anyone who suffers fertility issues but they very often end up pushing others away as they can't bear to see someone else get what they are longing for.

there isn't really anything you can do at this point except ignore the whole thing as long as she doesn't start effecting your work directly. if she does then you might have to speak to someone like hr about it.

atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 14:59

mrsbagface as for in real life, of course I didn't tell her that it happened quickly like that. But she does know (as it predates all this drama by a long way) that my first child was conceived immediately. I feel like I'd be rubbing her face in it if I said "i got pregnant so fast I didn't have time to tell you before your miscarriage" but if she thinks I'd been trying for a while it does look more "deceitful". But thank you for your comment, I will definitely think about it and see if I'm inadvertently making things worse that way. Same for the "reflected drama" comment. It is good to hear every point of view.

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scottishmummy · 30/08/2014 15:00

Bag,your making inference were none exist.op wasn't smug,she was giving context
And yes fwiw,i got pg v quickly. I can get up duff looking in mothercare window
Ive not struggled to conceive.that doesn't make me smug.or insensitive

Cantbelievethisishappening · 30/08/2014 15:01

Someone conceives quickly, acknowledges that fact to add additional relevant info to her post and she is smug? Boastful? Really? Do you really think the OP is that insensitive to 'boast' to her friend abut it Mrsbag? Have you read her post?

NumberOneFan · 30/08/2014 15:01

Hmmm I'm afraid that I've been your friend in the past Blush Sad

I didn't go down the IVF route, but it took me years to fall pregnant. In the meantime obviously my friends were all falling pregnant, even going on to have second and third children and I couldn't even have one.

It's devastating and hugely frustrating not being able to conceive and although my friends were all lovely I don't think they realised just how shit it was. How could they?

Anyway, I never ever spoke to any of my friends how yours has to you, but sometimes I felt like it inside. I got a bit fed up with the "Oh I have some news, but don't want to upset you" comments, and the "Hey you can come round and cuddle my babies any time you like" At times I felt like telling them to fuck off and stop patronising me. I didn't, because I love them.

Amazingly I eventually fell pregnant and we now have a beautiful DD. Hopefully your friend will get her happy ending. You haven't done anything wrong OP Flowers

I feel like I sympathise with your friends' hurt but not her attitude. Life is shit when you're having problems ttc but she is going to end up very lonely if she can't keep nasty thoughts to herself.

atticusfinchatemybaby · 30/08/2014 15:07

I have to go out now so logging off, but I'm not disappearing in a huff. Thanks to all for your contributions, which I will think about carefully before sending her another email. I really don't want to make the situation worse but kind of feel there's nothing to lose at this point so I might as well try.
numberonefan I'm glad it all went right for you in the end. I can see how easy it is to be patronising and/or insensitive. Unfortunately it's so hard to see how to do exactly the right thing in this situation either. It totally sucks for everyone.

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whatever5 · 30/08/2014 15:07

I think the problem was that you, over a long period of time, encouraged her to share immensely sensitive and private information about her experience of IVF. She trusted you as a friend. Now she finds that you deliberately withheld information about your own fertility. You did not trust her with that information.
I'm sure that your intentions were good ( the road to hell...) but, unknown to her, the relationship between you became massively unbalanced because it was based on your pity for her. Being on the recieving end of someone's pity is horrible. She was probably trying to deal with a hard situation with as much dignity and maturity as she could handle, and now she may feel that you didn't respect her.
I don't think you deliberately behaved like an arse, but I absolutely understand why she feels betrayed.

I totally agree with this.

EvansOvalPiesYumYum · 30/08/2014 15:07

MrsBagFace - I didn't get any "boast" from Atticus' OP. It sounded to me more that she felt a bit guilty and apologetic (unnecessarily so, of course) about falling pregnant so quickly, knowing her friend was going through traumas. And is now lamenting what she sees as the loss of her lovely friend.

NumberOneFan · 30/08/2014 15:13

I totally agree atticus and I repeat that I really don't think you've done anything wrong. I just wanted to explain how irrational (and nasty tbf) my personal thoughts could be at the time Smile

scottishmummy · 30/08/2014 15:14

Betrayed?hmm.thats understandable but not wholly reasonable response.its harsh
On other hand,op knows pals feels bad hearing everyone is pg.and tried manage her disclosure
The pal has had a ghastly time,lost wanted baby. Its hard thats a same time as op pg

fuzzpig · 30/08/2014 15:18

I think she is reacting unreasonably but it's understandable. I can (thanks to other posters explaining) see why she would be angry about you withholding this info, but hopefully in time she will accept that you did it with the best of intentions. It's impossible for her to see it right now because of what she's going through :(

I think in your shoes I would send a brief reply saying that you are dearly sorry, that you only kept it from her because you were desperate not to upset her, and that you can now see why you were wrong to do so and that you are sorry you handled it that way.

I don't see that you can do more than this.

AuntieMaggie · 30/08/2014 15:26

Your friend is being unreasonable even if it is understandable your news has upset her given what she's been through and if she's thinking any of the things Darcey mentioned then I would feel that she doesn't think very much of you.

She chose to confide in you, that was her choice she didn't have to tell you and as such she has no right to expect you to confide in her regardless of what she's been through - it's your choice when you want to tell people and even having struggled as she has doesn't give her any right to expect you to tell her before you're ready to. As you said she was one of the first to know and it's not like everyone else knew before her.

I would send flowers as someone else suggested and then leave it. She's said some horrible things to you and needs to come to realise that on her own and to realise that you were trying to do the right thing.

whatever5 · 30/08/2014 15:26

I thought some parts of MrsCakes post were pertinent; the pity is something that wouldn't necessarily be considered - as it the relationship imbalance. However, OP's friend chose to impart that information as she was free to do so. She obviously wanted somebody to talk to who was interested in the doings of IVF - not everybody IS interested.

The OP said that she asked her friend a lot of questions about TTC and being pregnant though and she herself feels that she may have been intrusive. The OP's friend has also said that was intrusive. I personally wouldn't ask someone a lot of questions about what was going on in their pregnancy if I didn't want to share details of my own.

Lambzig · 30/08/2014 15:28

I don't think you screwed up, but I agree with mrs cakes. I spent 10 years ttc and the worst bits were when I felt that people had pitied me or keeping info from me to protect me (my family did this horribly when my sister got pregnant and staged a big intervention with everyone there to tell me together, horrible horrible).

You sound like a lovely friend and I am sure that when she comes out of the awful time she is havingshe will realise that. I would leave it a while before sending another email, but of course you know her well.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/08/2014 15:31

OP's friend was at liberty not to answer; same as OP was free to ask. OP is being judged by her friend for having kept silent about the pregnancy when it was OP's decision and OP made that decision with friend in mind.

You say, whatever that you wouldn't ask questions about pregnancy. I wouldn't either but that's because I'm not interested beyond - friend ok? baby ok? Great, where are we going for lunch? You might feel differently. Friendship isn't just 'tit for tat' though, people are free to share information when and if they want to.

scottishmummy · 30/08/2014 15:32

I would not send flowers,too funereal.do send letter and gift if you feel it appropriate

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 30/08/2014 15:37

I see that, scottishmummy, I suggested flowers but was thinking of colourful gerberas or something bright, but I think you're right. No flowers.

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