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to start yet another Indyref thread?

999 replies

FannyFifer · 28/08/2014 19:21

Round 3 folks.

We should arrange an Indyref meet up at this stage. Grin

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SantanaLopez · 31/08/2014 22:06

Yes, I can read, thank you. And I object to that last point, because if you are subject to a political ideology you are controlled by it.

Yes voters haven't managed to spot a grand deception and they're not bravely fighting their way out of control. So quit it.

prettybird · 31/08/2014 22:08

According to this from the Electoral Commission, you need to be resident in Scotland. So their votes are highly suspect - but you or someone else would need to "shop" them to the local electroal registration office.

deeedeee · 31/08/2014 22:11

Or it's whether they are cautious by nature or not

Or it's to do with their feelings on their national indentity

Or it's to do with whether they feel it effects them personally financially

Or it's to do with how disenfranchised they feel from mainstream politics

There will obviously be more reasons

I'm sure there's algorithms being built on campaign headquarters constantly

deeedeee · 31/08/2014 22:14

Santana, Feel proud to be happy with the current political ideology. That's fine .

But some aren't happy
And some are controlled by it

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 31/08/2014 22:14

www.yesscotland.net/answers/who-can-vote-referendum-scottish-independence This is a list of who is eligible to vote in the indyref, Meikyo; as you can see, the primary requirement is being resident in Scotland. Owning a holiday home, paying Council Tax are not on the list. Your relatives have committed electoral fraud every time they vote in Scottish Parliamentary elections, and they're asking you to help them do it again for the indyref. Angry

As you're not happy with the situation, I think their postal ballots may be tragically burnt lost in the mail. Wink

Roseformeplease · 31/08/2014 22:18

Seem to remember from being away at University that you could be registered to vote in more than one place as long as you only exercised one vote. Mind you, not sure how that works if one of your residences is in Scotland.

We have 3 properties in Scotland. We should get 3 votes each!

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 31/08/2014 22:26

www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register_to_vote/students.aspx The situation for students.

Thankfully, it's been some time since property ownership was a qualification for the vote. Hmm Universal adult suffrage and all that.

CoreyTrevorLahey · 31/08/2014 22:27

*Surely in Glasgow selecting the wrong pub would be like going from the frying pan to the fire!

OOAOML · 31/08/2014 22:29

If you are registered to vote at several addresses are you liable for jury service at all of them? I just got called AGAIN (just outside the time limit from last time) and the letter said they used the electoral roll to select people.

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 31/08/2014 22:39

I suppose you might be, OOAOML, though if you were a student and registered at both your termtime address and at your parental one, you could argue for a deferment of duty if a potentially-long case arose during termtime, at your parents nearest court.

TheBogQueen · 31/08/2014 22:49

Sew the pope?

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 31/08/2014 22:59

See the Pope, I imagine, it's an easy typo. Grin

deeedeee · 31/08/2014 23:03

I've just been told that Better Together campaigners have been told to pull out of my local area. That's maybe why I feel so optimistic recently.

2rebecca · 31/08/2014 23:16

That makes me feel more anti-yes. I don't like bully boy tactics and the mob mentality and don't want to be governed by people who think intimidating or talking over people who have a different point of view is an acceptable way to behave.

TheBogQueen · 31/08/2014 23:23

Well - there are stories about a Yes shop being burned down and a pregnant woman kicked in the stomach by a Better Together campaigner.

I'm not sure what we are supposed to conclude from all this accept that some people are idiots.

And it's pretty wet of jim murphy to stop campaigning because of an egg. What a sissy.

OOAOML · 31/08/2014 23:25

Where on earth do you live deedeee?

This is such an important debate, do you not want freedom of speech?

OOAOML · 31/08/2014 23:30

I think the emphasis on the egg is pretty shit. It should be more about the level of shouting and aggressive tension, which is clearly happening at events on both sides. Eggs are an established (if somewhat retro) feature of politics. I understand he is going to continue, but with advice on keeping things more peaceful.

And I'm not condoning the events you mention, I think they're vile, but was it not someone from a far right group not Better Together? There are No nutters, and Yes nutters. Most people involved are actually pretty decent. On both sides.

deeedeee · 31/08/2014 23:51

Edinburgh. Where did I say I don't want freedom of speech? Crickey, why are you all jumping down my throat tonight? Calm down. I'm sure there's areas that are predominately No vote too!

OldLadyKnowsSomething · 31/08/2014 23:52

The Yes shop was not burned down, some eejit set fire to a wheelie bin and pushed it up close. No-one was injured, and the owner of the shop says there's no long term damage.

A woman was kicked in the belly, the story about her being pregnant seems to have arisen from people hoping sincerely she was not. An ambulance was called, but she elected not to go to hospital, so I suspect she's not with child. (If you read back to this afternoon, an MNer was present at the event.)

The person who did the kicking is a representative of Britannica, who are a BNP offshoot (rumour has it they found the BNP too left-leaning) and a permitted participant for No, registered with the Electoral Commission. This does not mean they are BT campaigners.

As to Murphy being wet about the egging, yes, if it was a Yesser (and there's no evidence it was.) If, however, suspicions are true that he arranged it himself, the story changes.

While it's true there are bams on both sides, there are also dark forces afoot. In these final, closing days of campaigning, it's worth all of us, from both POV, looking very closely at what's being said, by whom, and examining what their motivations might be.

And I don't mean the MN Coven. Grin

deeedeee · 01/09/2014 00:06

This demonising of the Yes campaign is blatant spin and campaigning. It's insulting to all the good people who believe in the cause and are giving it their all. Same way it would be if the BBC was reporting the icy dents against yes campaigners the same way it's been reporting the Jim Murphy thing. FFS, this is getting silly.

OOAOML · 01/09/2014 00:07

Sorry Dee you seemed pleased they wouldn't be in your area, it didn't seem very positive that's all.

OldLady there are people who think the BNP are too Left?? I remember having the misfortune to have to walk past a bunch of SDL people standing outside a pub (lots of police lining the road, with my daughter in ringing tones asking what was going on). The extremists baffle and scare me.

WildThong · 01/09/2014 00:07

Huh Hmm

WildThong · 01/09/2014 00:17

That was for deeedeee, sorry.
"Demonising of the Yes campaign", well maybe people should behave themselves so there would be no negative stories to report
"Insulting to the good people who are giving their all for the cause"
There are good people on both sides.
Jim Murphy - my reading of it was that the campaigning was suspended because of the organised foul mouthed intimidation, not because of the egg.

OOAOML · 01/09/2014 00:24

I think there are mostly good people on both sides. There are some people whose emotions are getting the better of them the nearer the date gets. There are some who I suspect would be vile for any cause who are using the current debate as an outlet. I can't think of any campaigners I know on either side who would resort to violence, and it does neither side any good when people do, it just drags the debate down.