to start yet another Indyref thread?

[FannyFifer]

Round 3 folks.

We should arrange an Indyref meet up at this stage.

Is it happening a lot? I wonder what the electoral commission are doing? Bit embarrassing if we can't organise the vote properly, we've had long enough.

I don't k ow - I've onlyy been hearing anecdotally. I guess the issue is there is no way to leave the electoral roll when you move, so I guess it depends on crosschecking.

does that confirm I'm not a no troll sent from the secret facebook group

Nope. Deep cover.

I thought they were meant to take you off at your old address.

I have many reasons for voting No.

I don't beleive that the figures stack up.
I don't get the whole we never get who we vote for. ( Well I have never voted SNP) I voted labour in 97 they won and Lib Dems in 2010 they didn't win. So based on that 50% of the time I got what I voted.

There is also the fact I don't think being in the UK has done myself or my family any harm but I think independence could bring us some hard times.

I also have a huge list of other reasons but I need to move my backside off the sofa and get the kids school uniforms washed. Be back later though.

I am surprised about the voting cards for people who used to live there, isn't the Electoral Roll updated annually? I took ds off it when he finally moved out, he was most upset when he turned up to vote the next year, flaming plank.

Jesus, that's dedication to the cover ItsAllGoingToBeFine. "And how did you fool them all, Mr Darling"..."Well, I pretended to be a woman with big boobs and then gave hundreds of them fitting advice online. I spent several years talking about boobs"...

I really hope the polling card issue is an isolated incident. If it turns out to be widespread then we could have problems

How unfair not to get the result you voted for even though you voted for it three times?

That would be real dedication to capturing the female vote Statistically but definitely creepy.

I'm liking the thought of Alistair spending several years on mumsnet talking about boobs. Lol

FannyFifer . Now, who do I think you are......

I wish I hadn't jokingly mentioned 'hanging chads' to a friend some weeks back. (Some of you may be too young for that reference.)

Sean Connery?

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I'm squeaking in utter fear. Please, please no

Well, DH and got one polling card each, no more, no less

NCforAye, ach, I suppose it's just the uncertainty and fear of change (I am not very good with change in general ). It's not that I don't think things need to change - they do! - but the simple fact that neither side can really give any guarantees makes the whole thing a bit scary.

Also, in principle, I do think it's a bit odd how so many countries in the last couple of decade have fallen apart (Czechoslovakia, Yugsoslavia, USSR etc) - I know the political and social reasons for that, but it seems odd how in an increasingly globalised world suddenly small nations are becoming more nationalistic .

As I confessed said before, I am not Scottish and it took me a good 10 years of living here to fully get how truly separate a nation Scottland was from England (and Wales and N.Ireland), and too feel the desire to not be under Westminster's power, but it seems worth a thought whether, living on a relatively small island as we do, staying as one nation wouldn't give us more strength: in Europe and worldwide.

Having said that as that young man during Monday's debate so brilliantly correctly pointed out "If we are Better Together then why are we not better together now?" V good point well made IMO . Why not??

Hanging chads! - please, please no! And no multiple votes and no invalid referendum and please never again in my life time!

Having said that as that young man during Monday's debate so brilliantly correctly pointed out "If we are Better Together then why are we not better together now?" V good point well made IMO grin. Why not??

Have to disagree there, it's a meaningless point badly made! Why are we not better already? Better than what?

Maybe we are pacific but just don't realise it yet?

should have said better in what way? It's not like there is a defined measure of "better"

'Hanging chads' I was trying to remember what they were called the other day. Florida wasn't it?

OOAOML I'm not telling.

The multiple polling card issue shouldn't be a problem as you can only get scored off the list once. You don't even need your polling card to vote, just ID to prove who you are.

Well, I took him to mean "If the Better Together campaigns argument is that United Kingdom after the Referendum will forge a better future for Scotland then why is that not happening now?"

Why does it take a Referendum or the threat of a possible Yes vote for Westminster to make certain promises to Scotland?

I heard Douglas Alexander on the radio this morning and much as he sounded like what my gran would've called A Lovely Young Man , he had nothing really to add to the debate.

The why are we not better together now has been a standard question on FB, I'd assumed it was on some crib sheet

I see the Better as two different angles - better/stronger together vs worse/weaker apart. But that sounds quite negative. For those who say it is bad now - yes, in many ways it is. There has been a major financial crash. Britain has been a tough place for many to live - but not as bad as other places; Ireland and Greece for example have had a much tougher time. Unemployment is starting to fall, interest rates have stayed low (not ideal for those with savings, but good for those with mortgages and other borrowing. I vividly remember the ashen face on one of my parents' friends when yet another rate rise was announced on the news one night.)

Personally I do believe we are much better as part of the UK. Others don't.

I don't think that is what "Better together" means though - it means that we're better as a united kingdom than two separate countries. So I take it as a present tense better rather than a Labour 1997 style "Things...can only get better...." chant

There has been discussion about extra powers etc, but I don't think that's what Better Together, as a whole, means.