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AIBU?

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to wonder why my DH can't/won't do the washing up?

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IceBeing · 21/08/2014 00:42

I work full time but he always assumes it is my job...admittedly it was my job when DD was tiny and it took hours to settle her to sleep. But now it takes 5 mins....

I have been ill for the last four days and didn't make it into work Mon-Wed but somehow it would seem I am still expected to be the one doing the washing up. I haven't been down stairs all day and just made a raid on the fridge for milk in an attempt to stem the nausea and discovered that the reason he took DD out for dinner wasn't so much that he wanted to treat her and give me space, as that every single item of cutlery, crockery etc is piled up dirty all over the kitchen.

So AIBU to think that when I get well enough to go to work as well as tackling my work backlog I really shouldn't also have to tackle the washing up mountain?

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 25/08/2014 15:19

Yeah, this blokes find housework difficult/beneath them/whatever argument falls down when people ask what about when they live alone Hmm

Suzannewithaplan · 25/08/2014 16:17

ime some men turn mildly feral when they live alone

Oneeyedbloke · 30/08/2014 09:53

Sorry for gap in posts, been on a few days' holiday. And sorry in advance for such a long, navel-gazing post.

Can I just say in my defence that there's never been a time when I did no housework. My difficulties with it stemmed from my perception that it was becoming overwhelming, that no matter how much housework got done, there would always be something else, either routine washing, hoovering, dishes, bathroom cleaning, or DIY-type repairs & improvements.

Looking back on it, we were both experiencing a big squeeze on our free time as childcare and the very necessary tasks of altering & redecorating a house kicked in over a few years. Plus shiftwork involving lots of nights, weekends & earlies, with hours that could change at short notice. Basically, I went from someone with loads of free time to someone with none, over about 2 years, and it depressed me because I couldn't see a way out & it was so unlike what I'd imagined being a parent would be like. Of course my OH was experiencing a similar loss of free time but I'm willing to bet she was more clued up about what motherhood would be like because women tend to talk to each other realistically, whereas men tend either not to talk, or talk bollocks about stuff like parenting.

In no way did I ever think I was asserting male privilege; on the contrary I was determined to 'pull my weight' and make things equal. What I had to accept was that actions speak louder than words. It wasn't a question of me sitting on my arse and flat refusing to do anything, it was more of a struggle to define how much housework was enough, and who was entitled to make that judgement (we still don't agree on some aspects, though I think we've found a lot of common ground; my OH is happy to start doing DIY at 10pm; I just can't stomach that).

So it's not that I think my OH literally creates housework, or that I ever think it is none of my concern. It's at least as much a question of who thinks about it, who plans. In the realm of housework, I've spent years being an Assistant Parent, willing to do what my limited sense of equality required, willing to do what I'm asked. But my OH was fed up being the one who not only still did more housework but thought more housework: I was letting her shoulder the decision-making.

If I'm honest I did sometimes think she inflicted housework on me; she was angry and that was an obvious way to retaliate. And the questions of how much, and when, remain. I still sometimes think, how come she gets to decide that certain chores will be done NOW? I don't mean obvious stuff like the kitchen, more like tidying, reorganisation, gardening, chuck-outs, jobs that could wait a bit, come second to more enjoyable activities. But no, she gets the itch, we've all got to pitch in. The added dimension of teenagers makes for a heady mix of emotion and domestic & sexual politics.

Here's another way of putting the whole problem as I experienced it - and I believe many men see it similarly, including perhaps IceBeing's OH: you consider yourself an enlightened man, aligned with feminist ideals; you cook, wash, shop, clean, you reckon you're doing your bit in the home. But your OH clearly doesn't; she's still pissed off. What's your next move?

I've definitely overthought housework; by far the most important thing is to Just Do It. And I don't believe I'd ever take the kids out to eat and leave a heap of dishes for my ill OH. But imho her demand for equality of contemplation gets right to the heart of the matter. No-one wants to feel they've been left with the 'minor' responsibilities while their supposed life partner occupies his mind with higher matters. You can't have an equal partnership if one of you is always the one thinking 'What'll we have for dinner tomorrow? Has little one got clean school shirts?' while the other is in Pause or Hobby or Intellectual mode, or even Assistant mode. I suppose this is what I mean by 'childish' - the irresponsible, I-don't-have-to-think attitude that children enjoy, and adults have to let go.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 30/08/2014 10:35

IceBeing I know this is an old-ish thread now, but I had to say - your situation reminds me VERY STRONGLY of my own marriage. Which thankfully ended 5 years ago.

My ex was the same as yours regarding stuff like the baby monitors. He'd rather spend hours rigging up some system himself rather than finding the £30 just to buy a proper one. And then I had to stand there and Ooh and Aah over his "system" or he'd get wounded. Hmm

He'd never wash up. He was a Sahp for six months when our oldest child was born, but his duties never extended to housework. I was never allowed to throw any of his clutter away so we were living surrounded by piles of skip-rescued crap and it never looked nice.

He wouldn't agree to a dishwasher until I put my foot down when my parents offered to buy us one for Christmas. It was the best present I'd ever got - all the dirty dishes just vanish! He liked the dishwasher but of course would never admit it.

I was on ADs after we got engaged (!! Red flag much?!) and had PND with our first child BUT my depression vanished IMMEDIATELY when my now-ex DH and I split up. He caused the depression, without a doubt. It was just so tiring living with him. His views on the world were so weird, and he'd never just admit to anything, he'd always make up some wanky excuse. (Like your bloke and his "spy-drama-related-sadness" excuse for not just finishing that washing up.)

I'm not usually one to say LTB, and I know that your bloke will have eroded your confidence by now to the point where you won't feel you can function without his invaluable marvellousness Hmm... But if/when you do split up in the future, you will feel lighter and happier and better than you ever have since you met him. That's a promise.

WhatsGoingOnEh · 30/08/2014 10:44

PS: Posting light-hearted stuff about his crapness on here - ie, laying bets on how much washing up he'll do - might cheer you up briefly, but it's NO substitute for the joy of life without him. Happiness with selfish, mean-spirited, little men like these is so difficult to find.

He's not wonderful, you shouldn't feel lucky to have him, he's not important or good in any way. He's wrapped up in himself, resents your success, will never go out of his way to help you, and will always, always put himself first.

I'd guess that he often puts you down, and has done probably from the first date. Tiny little comments that are ostensibly are "jokes", but really aren't. Little chipping away of your self-esteem. Nothing big enough to really catch him out on - no violence, but he might get shouty in arguments or sulk for DAYS - just tiny daily digs.

Ugh! Other lives are available!

Suzannewithaplan · 30/08/2014 10:58

I found your post interesting Oneeyedbloke, you certainly have given the subject some indepth consideration!
It sounds like a power struggle to me, I'm familiar with those, although in my case at a much lower level, I have only ever lived with men who clung doggedly to the 'it's women's work ' school of thought.
Never again.

Just out of interest if you lived alone would you keep a neat and tidy place, or let it go a bit?

Oneeyedbloke · 30/08/2014 11:01

I was beginning to feel a bit daft for having made such heavy weather of housework but judging by your post Suzannewithaplan, it was a make-or-break thing. It goes deep.

Oneeyedbloke · 30/08/2014 11:06

When I lived alone before getting married, it was a typical mess/blitz cycle. I don't think I'd repeat that, but who knows?! As I say, I actually quite like most housework tasks, it's the feeling that it's become the be-all and end-all of existence that gets to me. But with small children, and assuming no paid help, that's how it is for a while.

Suzannewithaplan · 30/08/2014 11:49

Make or break? Yes I suppose so Oneeyedbloke, I think housework issues for me were a symptom of the underlying power struggle, there were too many chiefs and no Indians :o
I remember the relentless battle against the ever rising tide of disorder with small children.

Thankfully those days are long gone!

Pipbin · 30/08/2014 13:09

Just read the thread and I know I am late to the party but here are my thoughts.
OP - you are clearly suffering for depression. You know this, you don't need some random bird on the internet to tell you that. This means that it isn't going to be as easy for you to say 'do the fucking dishes' as it might be for others.
IMHO you need to sit down with DH and tell him what you expect. You need to have a clear division of labour that you are both happy with. He is not pulling his weight. I found the line I do my laundry but he does his and DD's quite telling. You are not working together as a team. Being in a couple DC or not is a team. I can't believe that he is picking through the laundry basket to get his and DDs stuff and leaving your stuff.

Are you getting an help for your depression and PND? Can you get relationship counselling alongside that? Can you sit down with a third party, someone neutral, to help you with a list?

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