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Need opinions and to get this off my chest - husband's behaviour with ex-friends of mine

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 16:39

I'm sure this will out me but I'm beyond caring!

I'm a teacher in a secondary school. At my first school (I was 23), I had a tutor group of 30 mixed sex 11 year olds. We keep them for the 5 years they are at school, so I got to know them all pretty well. I also ran a riding club at the school and one of the girl's in the tutor group joined. I got to know her better through the horses. I also got to know her mother very well, as she would watch her daughter's lesson. Every week we would spend over an hour chatting. This continued after the daughter left school as her brother also joined the club (I kept it running in the year neither was at the school purely for their benefit so they got discount lessons).

The mother was lovely to me - we went shopping, on camping holidays etc and had a lovely relationship. She has sons who are my age so she treated me like a daughter. I have issues with my own mother so it was lovely to feel part of a family again. My husband was also welcomed into the family. He's very socially awkward and used to sit in the car a lot whilst I was in with the family. Eventually he came in and joined in as well. The mother had a difficult relationship with her eldest son (he walked out years ago) and admitted many times that my husband is like the replacement for her "lost" son.

3 years ago I brought my pony over from another livery yard to keep my big horse company at a private yard. When I was collecting him, his field-mate was in there. Girl in tutor group (GITG) said she liked his field-mate and could we take him too, for her brother to ride - she would take on my pony. I arranged this (the other pony's owner was really interested in him so it did her a favour). I paid for absolutely everything for all three horses - livery, feed, shoeing, vets etc. I didn't mind as we all got on really well.

Everything was going absolutely fine until nearly a year ago.

At Easter (last year), I became pregnant with my first child. I had no problems with the pregnancy in the first few months (no morning sickness, no cravings - was lovely :)) but had really bad SPD in the last few months. I dislocated my knee in September (was 24 weeks pregnant) and really struggled to do the horses. GITG and husband (and occasionally GITG's brother) did the horses for me.

It was a really horrible winter - very cold and wet. Not ideal to do horses, but GITG and husband did the best they could with them. Neither are particularly experienced, but kept them fed and watered. The mucking out wasn't always done as there wasn't any lighting up there.

When LO was born (around Christmas) I didn't want to take him up there in the wind and rain so GITG and husband carried on with the horses. Husband would leave home at 7 am for work, get back at 5 ish, get changed quickly, drive 7 miles to collect GITG (and occasionally her brother), do the horses, drop GITG back, then come home. He'd come back at about 9pm, announcing the family had fed him, he'd watched TV and had a cuppa. Did I want anything to eat?

So that's at least 14 hours out of the house, leaving me with newborn, recovering from SPD, whilst he was having a social with my friends? There was also no food in the house (very skint due to him taking out countless pay day loans) and I didn't fancy eating at 9 o'clock at night so quite often I went without supper. Not ideal when breastfeeding a newborn.

I kept making comments and dropping hints that he seemed to be at the stables for a long time, and did he really need to be at their house afterwards for so long but he never got the message. I should have been more clear maybe.

On the nicer days, I went up to the stables with LO on my own to do the horses. I'd have to completely clear the stables out (which took a lot of effort and energy) to catch up on the mucking out they hadn't done. I also noticed that my horse had a very dirty belly from lying down in the muck - so bad I had to clip it off. All through this, I bit my tongue as I didn't want to upset or offend GITG or husband as they had done the horses for me throughout a really horrible winter. Throughout all of this, not knowing how close her and DH had got, I was texting her asking if she wanted to meet up and go riding etc. I never got a reply.

Fast forward to this Easter. LO was 4 mo and we'd been invited camping with the family. GITG brings her boyfriend (they had been together 4 months or so) and she was really obnoxious. Very unlike the girl I knew. I know that she was in a relatively new relationship but she used to be very kind, very thoughtful and helpful. All week she was rude to everyone.

Husband and boyfriend, for GITG's birthday, bought her a double camping chair so that her and BF could sit together. She wouldn't let ANYONE else sit on it. Her brother tried a couple of times (there was nowhere else to sit) and she grabbed him by the ankles and threw him on the floor. The whole week was very stressful and unpleasant. I said a few times to DH that I wanted to go home but he didn't want to.

DH had her mobile number. I knew they sent text messages to each other but he was getting more and more secretive. Towards the end of the holiday I asked to see his phone. He has always been secretive about his phone, but I managed to get my hands on it. He ripped it out of my hands (nearly breaking my wrist in the process) and deleted all the messages between him and her.

I went to see GITG's mother and told her what had happened. GITG waved her phone under my nose saying I could read it on her phone. I didn't but I now know why DH deleted it - he told GITG that he didn't love me, and wanted to leave me. Her mother said I was being ridiculous. Husband loved me and what would he see in someone 12 years younger than him, especially as she had a BF anyway???

I told husband that I didn't want him texting her anymore. I was very very clear about this.

On the last day, GITG was asked, by her parents, to help turn their caravan round so they could hitch it on their car to tow it out to go home. Her and her BF refused, as they were already in the car. So they watching their parents (the mother has a bad shoulder and the father has a heart condition) turn a 3 tonne caravan round on their own whilst they sat in the car eating sweets. We couldn't help as we were the other side of the barrier and couldn't get back to them. We also didn't know they needed help.

In the afternoon I sent her a text asking if she wanted to come riding. No reply. She sent me a message later - "what happened to this friendship we used to be so close". I had had enough by this point so sent her a message stating how I felt. The week had been awful and very stressful.

"You have been nothing but a bitch to everyone this week. I hear you and the ginger minger (the BF - the whole family was joking all week he was ginger) refused to help your parents move a 3 tonne caravan with [your mother's] bad shoulder. You have been nothing but spiteful to [your brother] and I have stopped you having any contact with [my husband]. You have ruined the start of my time of being a mother as I do not trust what you and [husband] were doing at the stables. My horse was so neglected I had to shave the sh*t off him because you didn't do any mucking out. To turn round and refuse to have a picture taken with [your mother] was cruel and caused many tears. I would do anything to have a family like yours and you can't see what you are doing to it. I really hope you know what you are doing. Everyone has a problem with [your boyfriend]. He is controlling you and you will lose everything. I will always be here for you. Let me know when you realise and decide x"

Yes, not a pleasant message but I had bitten my tongue for months. The whole family had spent the whole week telling me they were worried that GITG was pregnant and didn't like the boyfriend. I felt that she needed to know that as they were about the throw her out of the house as she was being so unpleasant to everyone.

I apologised. Profusely. I bought her a pair of earrings and gave her a rosette I won on the pony she rode for me. I also tried to find her BF a job as he was sick of the shop work he had been doing for years. Absolutely none of it was recognised.

I sent her more messages to ask if she wanted to come riding. Everything was ignored. I finally got reply to say that she was going to go shopping on one of the days I asked her. I had already had a message from another friend asking if she could come riding with me. I told GITG that the other friend could ride my horse. She kicked off big time - I'd ruined her life and taken away the most important thing in the world to her. She wouldn't listen that it was only 1 ride, 1 day. Again, I apologised.

I knew husband was texting GITG and knew that he wouldn't tell me what about. He got a new phone so had to back the old one up. I found out how to read his backed up messages on his laptop. He'd sent her 500 messages in the 3 weeks from the camping holiday to then.

Just a small sample:

HIM TO HER "She seems to be coming back to her normal self but how long is that for and can I go through it again I don't know. Is catch 22 as need space to decide but worry about her and William coping. Sorry shouldn't go on about it to you. I just don't want you lose you either that is my biggest fear"

HER TO HIM "I stand by my decision that I never want anything to do with her again. If she's going on holiday next time then I'm not"

HIM TO HER "I fully understand that. It's just such a huge decision for me. I haven't stopped thinking about it since t kicked off. I even asked [your boyfriend] his opinion I hope you don't mind"

HIM TO HER "I can't talk to anyone like I do to you. I just want to be able to see and do stuff with you too. Do you think it is definitely final between you two?"

HER TO HIM "I'm not forgiving that. She's been funny towards me for months. That text was uncalled for and seriously below the belt. I really never want to see her again or I will just smack her in the face"

HIM TO HER "You know what I'm like, and keep coming back to thinking what is best for everyone else and have no idea anymore what would be best for me. I keep looking for a solution but can't find one and have no one I can really talk to about it. I hate going on about it to you as you quite rightly want me to make up my mind and choose"

HER TO HIM "She's given [my pony] to [my friend]. I hate her. That's my life over. No pony, no escape"

HIM TO HER "I don't know what I'm choosing I want the normal [wife] back but don't know if that will happen. You know how much you mean to me and I can't stand you being annoyed with me. Is there anything I can do to show you that?"

HER TO HIM "I 'put up with you' because you are a one in a million friend who I don't really want to lose."

HIM TO HER "Thank you. I feel the same way about you. I always feel happy and relaxed around you. You are v special. I think I need the next couple of days to try and save my marriage or see if there is one worrh saving."

HER TO HIM "Yeah I understand. This is goodbye for now then"

HIM TO HER "No I just might not message as much for next few days and prob won't be around this weekend. I still really value your opinion. You still think I should leave?. Hope driving gies well. Let me know how it goes?"

HER TO HIM "I don't see what you see in [your wife]. At the moment I really don't want anything to do with her ever.Will do"

HIM TO HER "At the moment I'm not sure. I want the old [wife] back that we all liked but not sure it's still there or wants to be with me. Thank you for sticking by me. [Your BF] has been great to me too. You've been brilliant to me over the last year or so.

HER TO HIM "I've never once seen her give you a hug or tell you she loves you. I know you've been together a while and [BF] and I haven't but he's always telling me and even if not a hug he holds my hand or something to let me know he's there. I've never seen a loving look on [your wife's] face towards you. I don't think there's anything there but obviously I'm on the outside looking in and don't know how life was before or what goes on behind closed doors. [BF] has handled the situation amazingly well. He so easily could've walked away but instead he's stood by me. He hates [your wife] for what she's done though"

HIM TO HER "Thanks for that. Is good to hear it from someone else. I'm giving it this weekend to see if anything there otherwise I'm going to move out for a bit at least. I'm thankful he still talks to me could easily have told me to F off."

HIM TO HER "Of course you don't and shouldn't be apologising. Do you think there is any chance if it being sorted in the future? You guys are so lovely to me. I will lose [my wife] before you guys. You all had ok day?"

HER TO HIM "Not to hurt you or anything but since being with [BF]I can see just how wrecked your relationship is. I'm not saying that my relationship is perfect 'cause it's not but in comparison yours is seems like more of a friendship"

Most of these messages were sent whilst husband and I were trying to have a weekend - just the three of us. Him, me and LO to try to sort things out.

What I also didn't realise was he was texting her BF - a man who I had met 3 times and then found him rude and difficult on the holiday.

Husband to GITG's BF "Just wish could have you guys [GITG and her BF] round of an evening. Where can I send [my wife]?! :p"

BF TO HUSBAND "Nah don't be silly! Lol you shouldn't say that! :P"

HUSBAND TO BF "How should I say it! :P were you not thinking it too?!"

BF TO HUSBAND "Lol well yeah but I didn't want to have to :P"

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zeezeek · 19/08/2014 19:50

Good. Good luck and take care x

GarlicAugustus · 19/08/2014 19:51

But why keep telling him? The facts are already here: you don't trust him; he's proven untrustworthy. Logic. No need to repeat ad infinitum.

You sound like a very sweet person! Yes, I think your sweetness is out of kilter, but still real. Don't hang about with weirdos who play games & suck the life out of you. You have your baby, your mum friends, new childcare, new job ... dawn's breaking over your horizon :)

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 19:52

tallypet thanks for the feedback. Must have taken ages to read it three times!

Definitely useful feedback to consider.

I have already spoken to GP - I have got a prescription for the medication I was on last time I had a bit of a meltdown. I am in two minds about taking them. I think that I do need to though. Will pick up the pills in the morning. I usually self manage OK. I can cope with the little highs and lows but this is a big low and I do need some help to get out of it.

garlicaugustus friend did say on one of the occasions I was there with her and husband that "it's a lot less fun when I'm (as in me) there as we actually do the work rather than messing about and listening to music". I think that explains mostly why the horses weren't mucked out!

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 19:56

garlicaugustus awww thanks :) I'm really looking forward to being back at work. Be nice to be "me" again. LO is going to love nursery - he's very inquisitive and very interested in other people and loves playing.

Going to a mum friend's house tomorrow for a "putthe babies on the floor and have a coffee and chocolate eating session". Really looking forward to it :D

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Tallypet · 19/08/2014 20:11

sanity take the meds. I'm not usually one for taking pills, but your story is ringing bells. I refused for a long time to acknowledge my problem and to seek help. I eventually bit the bullet and after a very eye opening heart-to-heart with my DH, DM, DF (everyone really) and a really traumatic incident I realised I needed help. I'm on my meds now and I've gained a lot of perspective.

Take the help your GP has offered you and then deal with the marriage issues. Firstly for the sake of you and your LO.

I do hope I'm not talking out of turn here. I don't mean to offend either - but there are definitely deeper issues here x

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 19/08/2014 20:17

He's infatuated, she led him on for a while and has got bored. He is an utter dick. Leave him.

This with bells on but I think you need medical help. You don't sound low, far from it, you sound like you are on a massive manic high. Yes, it's being fed by the very, very poor behaviour of the people around you, but nonetheless, what is screaming out at me is your own manic energy. As a very simple example, you started this thread three hours ago. You've typed pages.

Please, please start with your GP and get your own health stabilised, before you tackle the other issues in your life - which I absolutely agree need tackling.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 20:29

LVWF Oh I'm not on a high. I wish I was. I just have had a few hours to myself and I can type quickly! I also believe that if people have bothered to reply, then I will acknowledge what they have said and try to act on it if possible.

I am going to pick up the pills tomorrow to try to get back on some sort of level. I am also going to contact the counsellor I used a few years ago to see what the best way forward is.

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Coumarin · 19/08/2014 20:30

It's lovely getting away from DH

Your words ^ That says it all.

Tallypet · 19/08/2014 21:03

Good luck sanity. If you need an extra pair of ears and I hope you don't mind me saying this) want to pm I'm more than happy to listen. You sound like a strong woman. x

minibmw2010 · 19/08/2014 21:10

He's telling her he loves her, values her friendship so much and that he wants to leave you and would lose you over them and all you seem worried about is his contacting them when you've asked him not to. I think you've got far bigger problems here !!

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 21:16

That's a good point coumarin I hadn't thought of it like that. It's not been an easy day with LO - he hasn't slept well for about a month and not at all last night so he has been tired all day but it was lovely just spending the day just him and me again.

MiniBMW - trust me that's not all I was worried about. I kept saying to him over and over again that I didn't want him spending time with her, driving her to work etc. but he said he was just doing her and the family a favour. I didn't want to make things difficult for the family (although I was spitting feathers he couldn't see why I didn't want him having contact with her). I know what my head and my heart keep telling me and it's very sensible but I'm worried about going it completely alone. Will have a chat with the counsellor and see what she says.

:)

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 21:17

tallypet thank you! that is very kind x

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Pepperwitheverything · 19/08/2014 21:51

Your husband has no sense of loyalty at all....what a complete douchebag he is! That would hurt me so much and honestly OP, I wouldn't ever want to be with someone who wasn't there for me when the chips were down. How could you ever rely on him again, or trust him? From pay day loans that affect YOUR quality of life, to letting people abuse you to neglecting your pets....he is a disgrace towards you. Please leave this horrible, disrespectful man. You sound so lovely and deserve so much better.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 22:02

Thanks pepper. He has been truly horrible to he and I do not trust him. I've told him I don't think I ever will. He's being a lot nicer to me recently and I don't know what to do. Chat with counsellor needed me thinks.

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MsJupiter · 19/08/2014 22:05

OP I felt sick reading your post and the texts, so god knows how you felt.

The one about wanting to "do stuff" could be meant innocently but it's a phrase people use when they mean sex, especially in the context of him asking about her boyfriend.

It must be so hard OP but I hope you can step away from all involved in this situation and concentrate on your own self esteem and other issues and start to make a new life with your child. You deserve so much more.

Pepperwitheverything · 19/08/2014 22:09

I remember reading on the relationships board that being nice can also be part of the abuse. They use the nice act to keep you where they want you, to manipulate you into staying and making you doubt yourself and your decision to leave. Peahen a man shows you who he is, believe him. In this case, he has shown you he is a disloyal, disrespectful and uncaring rat.

Good luck OP. Trust your instincts. Thanks

Pepperwitheverything · 19/08/2014 22:10

When, obviously. Damn autocorrect.

bunnysmummy · 19/08/2014 22:21

I just wanted to add that you do sound lovely, this must have been quite hard to do and to take on board all these replies.
I hope you get your health sorted out soon and have the strength and clarity to work out your next course of action.
Good luck x

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 22:23

msjupiter it was one thing suspecting what was going on but seeing it all written in black and white was horrendous. I now keep reliving them over and over in my head. He keeps insisting that the ones to her BF (about having them over for a meal and sending me somewhere else) was a joke. Who jokes like that to someone he barely knows and who I know even less?

pepperwitheverything that's what worries me. Having been through so much already I doth know what's normal or not anymore. Husband has always taken care of certain things e.g. Money and cooking etc that I don't really know how to be independent any more. Now I've got my own account I feel considerably more in control but I think he's now being "nicer" as a way of manipulating me, but I don't want to keep being paranoid. Maybe he is making an effort. Who knows anymore?

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Pepperwitheverything · 19/08/2014 22:35

Sanity I think if he was making a real, sincere effort, he would have talked the whole thing through with you, so that you would not now be feeling as you are. Shown remorse, been absolutely transparent with his phone and doing everything possible to make it clear to you he was never, ever going to let you down again.

You don't have to decide anything now. Going back to work will help with your confidence. You should still plan ahead, just in case....keep documents safe, that sort of thing. One step at a time. And don't worry too much about not being able to manage. If the day comes when you and LO are by yourselves then you WILL manage, because you will have to...and you will have support. Here at least!! :) just take the steps you feel you can take.

Don't feel you can't cope without him....your health and your well being will undoubtedly improve tenfold and that is worth a million of all the little things he does now like cooking. Believe in yourself!!!

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 22:43

Thanks pepper that's very lovely and kind support x

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Coumarin · 19/08/2014 23:03

You do seem really lovely just from your posts here. I think he's playing on that. Even if he is done with this girl and get family, all those derogatory things he said about you and your relationship are too awful to forget imo. I wouldn't be able to trust someone like that again.

He let you down when you needed him. The man is an arse.

You deserve so much more. Your whole life is waiting for you once you're free from this idiot. He can still be a good Dad and not be with you. You know this though I suspect, it's just a case of letting the fog clear a bit.

If you will be happier and have a more peaceful life without him, then you can totally do it.

Thanks
Coumarin · 19/08/2014 23:05

But I do understand that all this must be so daunting and confusing. I hope you're ok.

ChangelingToday · 19/08/2014 23:43

I think you need a little time away from your h with your baby to get some perspective. The girl sounds like just that, a little girl. I want to throttle her just from your description of her!
Forgive me maybe you have said this in your initial post and I missed it, I was just wondering how your relationship with your h was pre birth when he was doing the work with 'the girl'. Were you feeling depressed then or is the depression a new onset post natal? Just wondering why he talks about your moods etc
In any case I think you need a little break from them all.

Cheeky76890 · 20/08/2014 07:48

Trial separation. Your DH chose to spend hours daily unessesarily 'doing the horses' instead of being with his family unit. A new baby and mother who needed respite. Secondly, he possibly might be playing around with other women. Either way, he's not your rock or your backbone. He's a weak partner and manipulative to boot. All these hidden texts. Get some space. Trial seperation. You can do the money and cooking but your confidence is low. Talk to your friends and get them on board. Ask them for advice about their cooking and money organising. With food you can bulk cook and freeze. Citizens advice can also help.