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Need opinions and to get this off my chest - husband's behaviour with ex-friends of mine

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 16:39

I'm sure this will out me but I'm beyond caring!

I'm a teacher in a secondary school. At my first school (I was 23), I had a tutor group of 30 mixed sex 11 year olds. We keep them for the 5 years they are at school, so I got to know them all pretty well. I also ran a riding club at the school and one of the girl's in the tutor group joined. I got to know her better through the horses. I also got to know her mother very well, as she would watch her daughter's lesson. Every week we would spend over an hour chatting. This continued after the daughter left school as her brother also joined the club (I kept it running in the year neither was at the school purely for their benefit so they got discount lessons).

The mother was lovely to me - we went shopping, on camping holidays etc and had a lovely relationship. She has sons who are my age so she treated me like a daughter. I have issues with my own mother so it was lovely to feel part of a family again. My husband was also welcomed into the family. He's very socially awkward and used to sit in the car a lot whilst I was in with the family. Eventually he came in and joined in as well. The mother had a difficult relationship with her eldest son (he walked out years ago) and admitted many times that my husband is like the replacement for her "lost" son.

3 years ago I brought my pony over from another livery yard to keep my big horse company at a private yard. When I was collecting him, his field-mate was in there. Girl in tutor group (GITG) said she liked his field-mate and could we take him too, for her brother to ride - she would take on my pony. I arranged this (the other pony's owner was really interested in him so it did her a favour). I paid for absolutely everything for all three horses - livery, feed, shoeing, vets etc. I didn't mind as we all got on really well.

Everything was going absolutely fine until nearly a year ago.

At Easter (last year), I became pregnant with my first child. I had no problems with the pregnancy in the first few months (no morning sickness, no cravings - was lovely :)) but had really bad SPD in the last few months. I dislocated my knee in September (was 24 weeks pregnant) and really struggled to do the horses. GITG and husband (and occasionally GITG's brother) did the horses for me.

It was a really horrible winter - very cold and wet. Not ideal to do horses, but GITG and husband did the best they could with them. Neither are particularly experienced, but kept them fed and watered. The mucking out wasn't always done as there wasn't any lighting up there.

When LO was born (around Christmas) I didn't want to take him up there in the wind and rain so GITG and husband carried on with the horses. Husband would leave home at 7 am for work, get back at 5 ish, get changed quickly, drive 7 miles to collect GITG (and occasionally her brother), do the horses, drop GITG back, then come home. He'd come back at about 9pm, announcing the family had fed him, he'd watched TV and had a cuppa. Did I want anything to eat?

So that's at least 14 hours out of the house, leaving me with newborn, recovering from SPD, whilst he was having a social with my friends? There was also no food in the house (very skint due to him taking out countless pay day loans) and I didn't fancy eating at 9 o'clock at night so quite often I went without supper. Not ideal when breastfeeding a newborn.

I kept making comments and dropping hints that he seemed to be at the stables for a long time, and did he really need to be at their house afterwards for so long but he never got the message. I should have been more clear maybe.

On the nicer days, I went up to the stables with LO on my own to do the horses. I'd have to completely clear the stables out (which took a lot of effort and energy) to catch up on the mucking out they hadn't done. I also noticed that my horse had a very dirty belly from lying down in the muck - so bad I had to clip it off. All through this, I bit my tongue as I didn't want to upset or offend GITG or husband as they had done the horses for me throughout a really horrible winter. Throughout all of this, not knowing how close her and DH had got, I was texting her asking if she wanted to meet up and go riding etc. I never got a reply.

Fast forward to this Easter. LO was 4 mo and we'd been invited camping with the family. GITG brings her boyfriend (they had been together 4 months or so) and she was really obnoxious. Very unlike the girl I knew. I know that she was in a relatively new relationship but she used to be very kind, very thoughtful and helpful. All week she was rude to everyone.

Husband and boyfriend, for GITG's birthday, bought her a double camping chair so that her and BF could sit together. She wouldn't let ANYONE else sit on it. Her brother tried a couple of times (there was nowhere else to sit) and she grabbed him by the ankles and threw him on the floor. The whole week was very stressful and unpleasant. I said a few times to DH that I wanted to go home but he didn't want to.

DH had her mobile number. I knew they sent text messages to each other but he was getting more and more secretive. Towards the end of the holiday I asked to see his phone. He has always been secretive about his phone, but I managed to get my hands on it. He ripped it out of my hands (nearly breaking my wrist in the process) and deleted all the messages between him and her.

I went to see GITG's mother and told her what had happened. GITG waved her phone under my nose saying I could read it on her phone. I didn't but I now know why DH deleted it - he told GITG that he didn't love me, and wanted to leave me. Her mother said I was being ridiculous. Husband loved me and what would he see in someone 12 years younger than him, especially as she had a BF anyway???

I told husband that I didn't want him texting her anymore. I was very very clear about this.

On the last day, GITG was asked, by her parents, to help turn their caravan round so they could hitch it on their car to tow it out to go home. Her and her BF refused, as they were already in the car. So they watching their parents (the mother has a bad shoulder and the father has a heart condition) turn a 3 tonne caravan round on their own whilst they sat in the car eating sweets. We couldn't help as we were the other side of the barrier and couldn't get back to them. We also didn't know they needed help.

In the afternoon I sent her a text asking if she wanted to come riding. No reply. She sent me a message later - "what happened to this friendship we used to be so close". I had had enough by this point so sent her a message stating how I felt. The week had been awful and very stressful.

"You have been nothing but a bitch to everyone this week. I hear you and the ginger minger (the BF - the whole family was joking all week he was ginger) refused to help your parents move a 3 tonne caravan with [your mother's] bad shoulder. You have been nothing but spiteful to [your brother] and I have stopped you having any contact with [my husband]. You have ruined the start of my time of being a mother as I do not trust what you and [husband] were doing at the stables. My horse was so neglected I had to shave the sh*t off him because you didn't do any mucking out. To turn round and refuse to have a picture taken with [your mother] was cruel and caused many tears. I would do anything to have a family like yours and you can't see what you are doing to it. I really hope you know what you are doing. Everyone has a problem with [your boyfriend]. He is controlling you and you will lose everything. I will always be here for you. Let me know when you realise and decide x"

Yes, not a pleasant message but I had bitten my tongue for months. The whole family had spent the whole week telling me they were worried that GITG was pregnant and didn't like the boyfriend. I felt that she needed to know that as they were about the throw her out of the house as she was being so unpleasant to everyone.

I apologised. Profusely. I bought her a pair of earrings and gave her a rosette I won on the pony she rode for me. I also tried to find her BF a job as he was sick of the shop work he had been doing for years. Absolutely none of it was recognised.

I sent her more messages to ask if she wanted to come riding. Everything was ignored. I finally got reply to say that she was going to go shopping on one of the days I asked her. I had already had a message from another friend asking if she could come riding with me. I told GITG that the other friend could ride my horse. She kicked off big time - I'd ruined her life and taken away the most important thing in the world to her. She wouldn't listen that it was only 1 ride, 1 day. Again, I apologised.

I knew husband was texting GITG and knew that he wouldn't tell me what about. He got a new phone so had to back the old one up. I found out how to read his backed up messages on his laptop. He'd sent her 500 messages in the 3 weeks from the camping holiday to then.

Just a small sample:

HIM TO HER "She seems to be coming back to her normal self but how long is that for and can I go through it again I don't know. Is catch 22 as need space to decide but worry about her and William coping. Sorry shouldn't go on about it to you. I just don't want you lose you either that is my biggest fear"

HER TO HIM "I stand by my decision that I never want anything to do with her again. If she's going on holiday next time then I'm not"

HIM TO HER "I fully understand that. It's just such a huge decision for me. I haven't stopped thinking about it since t kicked off. I even asked [your boyfriend] his opinion I hope you don't mind"

HIM TO HER "I can't talk to anyone like I do to you. I just want to be able to see and do stuff with you too. Do you think it is definitely final between you two?"

HER TO HIM "I'm not forgiving that. She's been funny towards me for months. That text was uncalled for and seriously below the belt. I really never want to see her again or I will just smack her in the face"

HIM TO HER "You know what I'm like, and keep coming back to thinking what is best for everyone else and have no idea anymore what would be best for me. I keep looking for a solution but can't find one and have no one I can really talk to about it. I hate going on about it to you as you quite rightly want me to make up my mind and choose"

HER TO HIM "She's given [my pony] to [my friend]. I hate her. That's my life over. No pony, no escape"

HIM TO HER "I don't know what I'm choosing I want the normal [wife] back but don't know if that will happen. You know how much you mean to me and I can't stand you being annoyed with me. Is there anything I can do to show you that?"

HER TO HIM "I 'put up with you' because you are a one in a million friend who I don't really want to lose."

HIM TO HER "Thank you. I feel the same way about you. I always feel happy and relaxed around you. You are v special. I think I need the next couple of days to try and save my marriage or see if there is one worrh saving."

HER TO HIM "Yeah I understand. This is goodbye for now then"

HIM TO HER "No I just might not message as much for next few days and prob won't be around this weekend. I still really value your opinion. You still think I should leave?. Hope driving gies well. Let me know how it goes?"

HER TO HIM "I don't see what you see in [your wife]. At the moment I really don't want anything to do with her ever.Will do"

HIM TO HER "At the moment I'm not sure. I want the old [wife] back that we all liked but not sure it's still there or wants to be with me. Thank you for sticking by me. [Your BF] has been great to me too. You've been brilliant to me over the last year or so.

HER TO HIM "I've never once seen her give you a hug or tell you she loves you. I know you've been together a while and [BF] and I haven't but he's always telling me and even if not a hug he holds my hand or something to let me know he's there. I've never seen a loving look on [your wife's] face towards you. I don't think there's anything there but obviously I'm on the outside looking in and don't know how life was before or what goes on behind closed doors. [BF] has handled the situation amazingly well. He so easily could've walked away but instead he's stood by me. He hates [your wife] for what she's done though"

HIM TO HER "Thanks for that. Is good to hear it from someone else. I'm giving it this weekend to see if anything there otherwise I'm going to move out for a bit at least. I'm thankful he still talks to me could easily have told me to F off."

HIM TO HER "Of course you don't and shouldn't be apologising. Do you think there is any chance if it being sorted in the future? You guys are so lovely to me. I will lose [my wife] before you guys. You all had ok day?"

HER TO HIM "Not to hurt you or anything but since being with [BF]I can see just how wrecked your relationship is. I'm not saying that my relationship is perfect 'cause it's not but in comparison yours is seems like more of a friendship"

Most of these messages were sent whilst husband and I were trying to have a weekend - just the three of us. Him, me and LO to try to sort things out.

What I also didn't realise was he was texting her BF - a man who I had met 3 times and then found him rude and difficult on the holiday.

Husband to GITG's BF "Just wish could have you guys [GITG and her BF] round of an evening. Where can I send [my wife]?! :p"

BF TO HUSBAND "Nah don't be silly! Lol you shouldn't say that! :P"

HUSBAND TO BF "How should I say it! :P were you not thinking it too?!"

BF TO HUSBAND "Lol well yeah but I didn't want to have to :P"

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:58

I did try to have a break before and he came back. I put a post on FB asking some friends (I've blocked all of her and them and deleted husband) about divorce and what it entails (costs, lengths etc.). Husband's brother (really lovely guy) reads it from abroad and kicks husbands arse over the phone. Husband comes straight back to me wondering why I'm asking about divorce and refuses to leave. He's been contrite since.

Yes, I think I do want to be "not disliked" by family. I have literally gone out of my way for years to do them favours, as have they in return. I hate people disliking me but I've been very good and not had any contact with them for ages. Even when ex-friend texted me to tell me she was with my husband (she had absolutely no reason to, apart from to wind me up) I didn't respond :D

Very well behaved sanityisamyth!!!

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GarlicAugustus · 19/08/2014 18:01

Yes, well done :) There, that's one foot in front of the other. You can keep doing it!

Please bear in mind Magpie's caution about Prozac and bipolar.

ValerieTheVodkaFairy · 19/08/2014 18:06

Your husband sounds really weird, and clearly totally obsessed with this girl.

How does her family feel about their relationship?

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 19/08/2014 18:06

Sanity, there is so much wrong here I barely know where to start. I'll try to summarise:

  1. Your husband is being truly vile, cringeworthy and inappropriate with this teenage girl and - now - her boyfriend too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you H and the girl have had some sexual contact . It's as clear as day that the reason he is slagging you off and running his "decision-making" over whether to leave you or not past her, is because he wants her to say "YES BOB, LEAVE THAT MOODY COW AND LET'S RUN AWAY TOGETHER AND LIVE OUT YOUR SUPERANNUATED TEENAGE DREAM, WAIT WHILE I REMOVE MY PANTS!" Which she isn't going to. He reminds me of a much creepier version of the already-creepy adoptive dad in Juno. Seen that?

  2. Your relationship with this girl and her family has also been weirdly intense IMO. You sent an 18 year old former pupil, who you had taught since the age of 11, a text saying she had acted like a bitch? And then dispatched "several apologies and presents" to try and make it up? Doesn't that sound a bit OTT/scary to you?

  3. The girl may well have enjoyed the attention, treats and fun of hanging around with a much older man - being driven around by him for example - but now she sounds bored and a bit repelled by him. She's left school, got a boyfriend of her own, what does this old dude WANT? in other words.

Itsfab · 19/08/2014 18:08

Being upset because you saw a photo of her riding your house and sweet wrappers left in your car are just silly. I doubt very much that giggled how they were going to eat loads of sweets in your car and leave the wrappers as they know you won't eat. It never entered their heads.

Your posts are exhausting so I can only imagine how exhausted you must be living this life.

Your husband is not respecting you. IMO that is enough to end this marriage.

I suspect your mental health will improve.

You need to get both sets of people out of your life and head and start leading your own life where you are in control and not constantly allowing yourself to have the piss taken out of you.

badbaldingballerina123 · 19/08/2014 18:12

Honestly , walk away from this drama. You've put up with too much for too long. Your husband is a wimp and a cheat and doesn't know the meaning of loyalty.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 18:18

Thanks Magpie - I've been on Prozac before and it worked well. I can usually self manage but this situation is a little trying, to say the least.

Elephant (I think) I know it's a very odd relationship that we (girl and I had). I would never ever send texts like that to students but it was almost like we were family (honestly) and it didn't feel wrong at the time. Even now I wouldn't change it. The reason I gave her an apology present was to try to sort things out as the whole situation (mainly caused by girl and her BF) was making her mother ill so thought I could help her by smoothing things over. I'd said to husband at the time I didn't really care about the friendship anymore. Was feeling very strange.

Said family also offered (when we were all friends) to childmind my LO until he went to school (i.e. 4/5 yo?). I didn't feel all that comfortable about by husband said how kind it was and it would save so much money etc.

I've found a nursery place for him instead :D

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WeAreAllStarDust · 19/08/2014 18:21

You keep saying you have 'gone out of your way' to please other people. Perhaps now you should make your own way in life with your baby. Please wake up and smell the coffee - this will never really go away. Are you honestly going to live like this for the rest of your life? It's hard being on your own, but it's even harder being with someone who makes you feel lonely. Please sweetheart throw him out and concentrate on yourself and your baby - because that's all that matters.

dancestomyowntune · 19/08/2014 18:28

Sanity first of all Thanks

i have read the whole thread and can see how unhappy this is all making you. You have had some good advice on this thread and i'm sure you can see how toxic the whole situation has become. the girl sounds like she has used your good nature and taken advantage of you. step away from her and dont contact her at all. as for your husband, it does sound as though he doesn't want to be with you anymore. I'm sorry but i think his treatment of you, and his total lack of consideration for your feelings and wellbeing speaks volumes.

Coumarin · 19/08/2014 18:29

Oh god.

Everyone's already said so I'm just going to strip it all back with a huge LTB.

Never posted that and meant it before.

This man will make you ill. For you, for your lo, hand him a bag and tell him to get out.

Coumarin · 19/08/2014 18:30

You can totally do it btw. You have a good career, your own money, a lovely baby.

You do not need a dis loyal, lying weirdo spoiling your life.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 18:31

Itsfab what annoyed me about the photo is that it as taken on a day that I was away for a few days 300 miles from home. I'd told DH that he was to have no contact with her. He'd carried on texting her and arranged the riding. She had no permission to ride them. DH took the photos and e-mailed them to her.

On the day I texted him to ask him where he was. "On the moor". I thought this was odd as it's up a hill - he doesn't do hills unless he has to! I asked him who was with him. "[the dog]". He doesn't usually walk the dog up there as it's up a hill! I asked him who else was with him - sneaky suspicion that he was with her - he didn't answer.

That's what annoys me about the photo. All her friends can see her having a lovely time riding my horse (without permission). I asked her nicely to delete it. She refused. I asked her dad to get her to delete it. Her mother has a go at jack saying I'd upset girl's dad. I did no such thing. No one was willing to get it removed even though it was really upsetting to see her galloping my unfit, elderly pony somewhere he should never have been :(

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Holdthepage · 19/08/2014 18:32

You seriously need to detach from these people & start rebuilding your own life. It all sounds exhausting. They were not your family, just friends & now they are ex friends. You have no idea what your H has been telling them about you so leave them all to it. Don't waste your energy.

Get your health back on track & get yourself financially sound, if your marriage survives then all well & good if not you will be set up ready to go it alone with your child.

Happymschicken · 19/08/2014 18:35

I've been a Mner for far longer than I care to remember and this comes close to one of the most fucked up relationships I've ever come across.

Gather your self respect and kick the fucker out. He sounds pathetic beyond belief. I don't know how you can bear to even look at him after his appalling behaviour.

Life will be 100% better for you and your DC without this poor excuse for a man in your lives.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 18:37

Thanks everyone :)

I'm truly grateful for all your responses. You have been very kind and supportive and told me what I needed to hear.

DH does seemed to have changed in the last few days but he's still very difficult to have a conversation with. Even just now I asked him how his day at work was. All I got was "alright". We spend most of our time in separate rooms, although he has recently tidied up a lot of his crap so we can now actually both use the sitting room. Even then we didn't really talk much - just watched TV.

He's brilliant with LO - that's the only thing which is making me hesitate. I'm back to work in 2 weeks (autumn term starts) and got childcare covered now. I'm feeling so much more independent with my own bank account. If things don't improve between us then I certainly will leave him as I don't feel he adds anything to my life. I don't want to take LO away from his dad though.

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CatsCantTwerk · 19/08/2014 18:41

I haven't read the replies as just your op was on the page when I went to make tea. What stands out to me, And I'm sorry if this is out of place but it reads like your dh, stable girl and her bf have been having some sort of threesome going on.

My first advice for you though would be to go and see your gp. I hope it all works out for You Thanks

myroomisatip · 19/08/2014 18:42

Oh dear OP, just read all this thread.

Your 'H' is an idiot. He wants more from this girl than this supposed friendship.

Please accept my very first LTB!

You deserve so much better.

CatsCantTwerk · 19/08/2014 18:43

Seriously should have refreshed before posting. Apologies.

Anomaly · 19/08/2014 18:45

Please don't use Facebook to ask about divorce. It really isn't suitable for that. It comes across as attention seeking and manipulative. I do think you should consider divorce but message people privately if you think they can advise you.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 19/08/2014 18:47

Agree with Coumarin.

If I had to take an overview of the whole situation I would say that the friendship between you/H and this family was intense but ok, right up to the point that they started spending a lot of time together/flirting and he tried to set them up as some kind of Intense Friendship Against the World with the view to getting his leg over/escaping from his responsibility (you were pregnant). Now it's fucked I'm afraid. Leave the lot of them to it.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 18:47

Thanks happymschicken :) I'm the first to admit that it's definitely odd. I didn't have a normal childhood - was very abusive and deprived (despite having horses - another long story). I thought that these friends would make my life better in so many ways so I tried to do the same in return. A shame it didn't work out.

I have physically and emotionally walked away from them, despite so many attempts from DH to get me to be friends with them. I've since realised that I was basically being treated like a lamb to the slaughter, as if I was friends with them, so could he be. It was in his interests that I made it up with them.

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Rebecca2014 · 19/08/2014 18:49

Your whole situation sounds very strange but on your husband, It doesn't sound like he loves you anymore and is looking for a way out. He admitted in text he choose that girl and her bf over you.

My marriage has recently ended and it still hurts because I think "Why don't you care? why cant you try and see your mistakes?" but he never will because he is not in love with me. I think you need to see the same instead trying to save a marriage which is one sided.

dancestomyowntune · 19/08/2014 18:50

oh good grief... at the risk of sounding like jeremy kyle...

a man can be a godawful husband and a fabulous father. you dont need to be together for that.

babybat · 19/08/2014 18:53

Perhaps you should consider deactivating your Facebook account? You can't control what other people post there, and while someone shouldn't put up photos of your horse if you've asked them not to, you can't make them take them down, so it might just be healthier if you don't see them for a while. There are plenty of other ways for you to stay in touch with your real friends, and it might help you restart some of your offline friendships a bit.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 18:57

Anomaly I wouldn't normally but I had reached desperation point by then.

I had just had a really horrible weekend whilst we were on a kind of break. I took DH to an event that my family were at (more as moral support really even though he was living at his mothers for a bit). Told him that night I was feeling a bit low. On the Sunday he sorted one of the horses going whilst I went off to a friends event for her LO. It really upset me (they had a beautiful son and a beautiful day celebrating him and thought I could never do anything similar for my LO as it would be totally hypocritical to stand up there and play happy families). I told DH how low I was feeling (about as low as you could get) then I find his car parked outside this families house. He was out for a nice little dog walk.

Apparently when I said "I want out" he took it to mean out of the relationship (even though the previous message mentioned suicide) so he could resume his friendship leaving me with LO. I went straight to a friends for the night with LO so she could keep an eye on me. After I was thinking vaguely sensibly I needed a lot of advice about divorce. I don't really know many divorcees so thought I'd open it to my close friends (very selective about who is on my account as teacher) to advice/support me. It's since I posted that, that DH's behaviour has changed dramatically ... I'm wondering if he realises how close he's come to losing it all and is trying to make amends or playing a very clever game???

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