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Need opinions and to get this off my chest - husband's behaviour with ex-friends of mine

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 16:39

I'm sure this will out me but I'm beyond caring!

I'm a teacher in a secondary school. At my first school (I was 23), I had a tutor group of 30 mixed sex 11 year olds. We keep them for the 5 years they are at school, so I got to know them all pretty well. I also ran a riding club at the school and one of the girl's in the tutor group joined. I got to know her better through the horses. I also got to know her mother very well, as she would watch her daughter's lesson. Every week we would spend over an hour chatting. This continued after the daughter left school as her brother also joined the club (I kept it running in the year neither was at the school purely for their benefit so they got discount lessons).

The mother was lovely to me - we went shopping, on camping holidays etc and had a lovely relationship. She has sons who are my age so she treated me like a daughter. I have issues with my own mother so it was lovely to feel part of a family again. My husband was also welcomed into the family. He's very socially awkward and used to sit in the car a lot whilst I was in with the family. Eventually he came in and joined in as well. The mother had a difficult relationship with her eldest son (he walked out years ago) and admitted many times that my husband is like the replacement for her "lost" son.

3 years ago I brought my pony over from another livery yard to keep my big horse company at a private yard. When I was collecting him, his field-mate was in there. Girl in tutor group (GITG) said she liked his field-mate and could we take him too, for her brother to ride - she would take on my pony. I arranged this (the other pony's owner was really interested in him so it did her a favour). I paid for absolutely everything for all three horses - livery, feed, shoeing, vets etc. I didn't mind as we all got on really well.

Everything was going absolutely fine until nearly a year ago.

At Easter (last year), I became pregnant with my first child. I had no problems with the pregnancy in the first few months (no morning sickness, no cravings - was lovely :)) but had really bad SPD in the last few months. I dislocated my knee in September (was 24 weeks pregnant) and really struggled to do the horses. GITG and husband (and occasionally GITG's brother) did the horses for me.

It was a really horrible winter - very cold and wet. Not ideal to do horses, but GITG and husband did the best they could with them. Neither are particularly experienced, but kept them fed and watered. The mucking out wasn't always done as there wasn't any lighting up there.

When LO was born (around Christmas) I didn't want to take him up there in the wind and rain so GITG and husband carried on with the horses. Husband would leave home at 7 am for work, get back at 5 ish, get changed quickly, drive 7 miles to collect GITG (and occasionally her brother), do the horses, drop GITG back, then come home. He'd come back at about 9pm, announcing the family had fed him, he'd watched TV and had a cuppa. Did I want anything to eat?

So that's at least 14 hours out of the house, leaving me with newborn, recovering from SPD, whilst he was having a social with my friends? There was also no food in the house (very skint due to him taking out countless pay day loans) and I didn't fancy eating at 9 o'clock at night so quite often I went without supper. Not ideal when breastfeeding a newborn.

I kept making comments and dropping hints that he seemed to be at the stables for a long time, and did he really need to be at their house afterwards for so long but he never got the message. I should have been more clear maybe.

On the nicer days, I went up to the stables with LO on my own to do the horses. I'd have to completely clear the stables out (which took a lot of effort and energy) to catch up on the mucking out they hadn't done. I also noticed that my horse had a very dirty belly from lying down in the muck - so bad I had to clip it off. All through this, I bit my tongue as I didn't want to upset or offend GITG or husband as they had done the horses for me throughout a really horrible winter. Throughout all of this, not knowing how close her and DH had got, I was texting her asking if she wanted to meet up and go riding etc. I never got a reply.

Fast forward to this Easter. LO was 4 mo and we'd been invited camping with the family. GITG brings her boyfriend (they had been together 4 months or so) and she was really obnoxious. Very unlike the girl I knew. I know that she was in a relatively new relationship but she used to be very kind, very thoughtful and helpful. All week she was rude to everyone.

Husband and boyfriend, for GITG's birthday, bought her a double camping chair so that her and BF could sit together. She wouldn't let ANYONE else sit on it. Her brother tried a couple of times (there was nowhere else to sit) and she grabbed him by the ankles and threw him on the floor. The whole week was very stressful and unpleasant. I said a few times to DH that I wanted to go home but he didn't want to.

DH had her mobile number. I knew they sent text messages to each other but he was getting more and more secretive. Towards the end of the holiday I asked to see his phone. He has always been secretive about his phone, but I managed to get my hands on it. He ripped it out of my hands (nearly breaking my wrist in the process) and deleted all the messages between him and her.

I went to see GITG's mother and told her what had happened. GITG waved her phone under my nose saying I could read it on her phone. I didn't but I now know why DH deleted it - he told GITG that he didn't love me, and wanted to leave me. Her mother said I was being ridiculous. Husband loved me and what would he see in someone 12 years younger than him, especially as she had a BF anyway???

I told husband that I didn't want him texting her anymore. I was very very clear about this.

On the last day, GITG was asked, by her parents, to help turn their caravan round so they could hitch it on their car to tow it out to go home. Her and her BF refused, as they were already in the car. So they watching their parents (the mother has a bad shoulder and the father has a heart condition) turn a 3 tonne caravan round on their own whilst they sat in the car eating sweets. We couldn't help as we were the other side of the barrier and couldn't get back to them. We also didn't know they needed help.

In the afternoon I sent her a text asking if she wanted to come riding. No reply. She sent me a message later - "what happened to this friendship we used to be so close". I had had enough by this point so sent her a message stating how I felt. The week had been awful and very stressful.

"You have been nothing but a bitch to everyone this week. I hear you and the ginger minger (the BF - the whole family was joking all week he was ginger) refused to help your parents move a 3 tonne caravan with [your mother's] bad shoulder. You have been nothing but spiteful to [your brother] and I have stopped you having any contact with [my husband]. You have ruined the start of my time of being a mother as I do not trust what you and [husband] were doing at the stables. My horse was so neglected I had to shave the sh*t off him because you didn't do any mucking out. To turn round and refuse to have a picture taken with [your mother] was cruel and caused many tears. I would do anything to have a family like yours and you can't see what you are doing to it. I really hope you know what you are doing. Everyone has a problem with [your boyfriend]. He is controlling you and you will lose everything. I will always be here for you. Let me know when you realise and decide x"

Yes, not a pleasant message but I had bitten my tongue for months. The whole family had spent the whole week telling me they were worried that GITG was pregnant and didn't like the boyfriend. I felt that she needed to know that as they were about the throw her out of the house as she was being so unpleasant to everyone.

I apologised. Profusely. I bought her a pair of earrings and gave her a rosette I won on the pony she rode for me. I also tried to find her BF a job as he was sick of the shop work he had been doing for years. Absolutely none of it was recognised.

I sent her more messages to ask if she wanted to come riding. Everything was ignored. I finally got reply to say that she was going to go shopping on one of the days I asked her. I had already had a message from another friend asking if she could come riding with me. I told GITG that the other friend could ride my horse. She kicked off big time - I'd ruined her life and taken away the most important thing in the world to her. She wouldn't listen that it was only 1 ride, 1 day. Again, I apologised.

I knew husband was texting GITG and knew that he wouldn't tell me what about. He got a new phone so had to back the old one up. I found out how to read his backed up messages on his laptop. He'd sent her 500 messages in the 3 weeks from the camping holiday to then.

Just a small sample:

HIM TO HER "She seems to be coming back to her normal self but how long is that for and can I go through it again I don't know. Is catch 22 as need space to decide but worry about her and William coping. Sorry shouldn't go on about it to you. I just don't want you lose you either that is my biggest fear"

HER TO HIM "I stand by my decision that I never want anything to do with her again. If she's going on holiday next time then I'm not"

HIM TO HER "I fully understand that. It's just such a huge decision for me. I haven't stopped thinking about it since t kicked off. I even asked [your boyfriend] his opinion I hope you don't mind"

HIM TO HER "I can't talk to anyone like I do to you. I just want to be able to see and do stuff with you too. Do you think it is definitely final between you two?"

HER TO HIM "I'm not forgiving that. She's been funny towards me for months. That text was uncalled for and seriously below the belt. I really never want to see her again or I will just smack her in the face"

HIM TO HER "You know what I'm like, and keep coming back to thinking what is best for everyone else and have no idea anymore what would be best for me. I keep looking for a solution but can't find one and have no one I can really talk to about it. I hate going on about it to you as you quite rightly want me to make up my mind and choose"

HER TO HIM "She's given [my pony] to [my friend]. I hate her. That's my life over. No pony, no escape"

HIM TO HER "I don't know what I'm choosing I want the normal [wife] back but don't know if that will happen. You know how much you mean to me and I can't stand you being annoyed with me. Is there anything I can do to show you that?"

HER TO HIM "I 'put up with you' because you are a one in a million friend who I don't really want to lose."

HIM TO HER "Thank you. I feel the same way about you. I always feel happy and relaxed around you. You are v special. I think I need the next couple of days to try and save my marriage or see if there is one worrh saving."

HER TO HIM "Yeah I understand. This is goodbye for now then"

HIM TO HER "No I just might not message as much for next few days and prob won't be around this weekend. I still really value your opinion. You still think I should leave?. Hope driving gies well. Let me know how it goes?"

HER TO HIM "I don't see what you see in [your wife]. At the moment I really don't want anything to do with her ever.Will do"

HIM TO HER "At the moment I'm not sure. I want the old [wife] back that we all liked but not sure it's still there or wants to be with me. Thank you for sticking by me. [Your BF] has been great to me too. You've been brilliant to me over the last year or so.

HER TO HIM "I've never once seen her give you a hug or tell you she loves you. I know you've been together a while and [BF] and I haven't but he's always telling me and even if not a hug he holds my hand or something to let me know he's there. I've never seen a loving look on [your wife's] face towards you. I don't think there's anything there but obviously I'm on the outside looking in and don't know how life was before or what goes on behind closed doors. [BF] has handled the situation amazingly well. He so easily could've walked away but instead he's stood by me. He hates [your wife] for what she's done though"

HIM TO HER "Thanks for that. Is good to hear it from someone else. I'm giving it this weekend to see if anything there otherwise I'm going to move out for a bit at least. I'm thankful he still talks to me could easily have told me to F off."

HIM TO HER "Of course you don't and shouldn't be apologising. Do you think there is any chance if it being sorted in the future? You guys are so lovely to me. I will lose [my wife] before you guys. You all had ok day?"

HER TO HIM "Not to hurt you or anything but since being with [BF]I can see just how wrecked your relationship is. I'm not saying that my relationship is perfect 'cause it's not but in comparison yours is seems like more of a friendship"

Most of these messages were sent whilst husband and I were trying to have a weekend - just the three of us. Him, me and LO to try to sort things out.

What I also didn't realise was he was texting her BF - a man who I had met 3 times and then found him rude and difficult on the holiday.

Husband to GITG's BF "Just wish could have you guys [GITG and her BF] round of an evening. Where can I send [my wife]?! :p"

BF TO HUSBAND "Nah don't be silly! Lol you shouldn't say that! :P"

HUSBAND TO BF "How should I say it! :P were you not thinking it too?!"

BF TO HUSBAND "Lol well yeah but I didn't want to have to :P"

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ChasedByBees · 19/08/2014 17:07

I would take screen shots of the texts as then divorce him for infidelity. He's having an emotional affair and being incredibly disloyal. Someone called him a road - he is. He left you alone with SPD and a new baby to care for. He is awful. LTB.

ChasedByBees · 19/08/2014 17:07

Toad I meant obviously.

expatinscotland · 19/08/2014 17:08

Who cares about this girl and whether or not he is shagging her? Your husband is a cock.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:08

I now have my own bank account (was joint accounts before) and was very very close to ending it but I keep thinking of LO. Husband loves him to bits and does seem a bit better over the last week or so.

What annoys me most is that he didn't once stick up for me when friend and her family were discussing me and sending me nasty messages. I asked husband to text ex-friend after she texted me, telling me she was with my husband and he refused to, as he didn't want to upset her??

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WooWooOwl · 19/08/2014 17:08

If you've been given medication then you need to be talking it. You can't expect your husband to put effort into a struggling marriage when you aren't doing everything you possibly can to combat one of the biggest problems you have.

The whole thing sounds completely dysfunctional tbh, starting with you getting that close to one of your students families. I'm not sure it's entirely fair for you to expect your husband to never speak to people who you originally encouraged him to be close to, especially of they are some of the few people he has support from. It's not easy being married to someone with depression and although he should support you, he needs support too.

Maybe marriage counselling is the way to go, alongside you having counselling on your own.

RustyParker · 19/08/2014 17:09

I think you may have named your DC in your first post op?

Your DH should absolutely be sticking up for you and not secretly chatting to teenage (?) girls about his relationship behind your back. To be honest though, I think boundaries have been crossed on all sides.

You sound as though you are prepared to wait for your DH to decide if he wants to stay with you? If he left, do you think he will go to this family? Is that why you are still with him? Because honestly, if my DH spoke about me and our relationship like this to someone else he'd be out the door before it hits his arse.

It all sounds so exhausting but you've got to try and take control. Can you arrange to see your GP? I think you should then ask your DH to leave, even if only for a few days and decide what you want to do. This should be one of the happiest times of your life with your LO.

magoria · 19/08/2014 17:10

Things will never be good while your H walks over, ignores your feeling and sends 100s of texts to other people slagging you off.

Drugging yourself will cover the symptoms but will not fix the root cause that your H is a vile shit with no respect for you.

Vitalstatistix · 19/08/2014 17:10

You don't believe there is anything inappropriate?

When he texts things like

I just don't want you lose you either that is my biggest fear

I can't talk to anyone like I do to you. I just want to be able to see and do stuff with you too.

you quite rightly want me to make up my mind and choose

You know how much you mean to me and I can't stand you being annoyed with me. Is there anything I can do to show you that?

I always feel happy and relaxed around you. You are v special.

I will lose [my wife] before you guys.

That is all MASSIVELY inappropriate.

It really crosses a line.

It reads like a lover.

It screams emotional affair tbh.

When a person becomes too emotionally close and loving to someone other than their partner and that person is more important it is the kiss of death to a relationship.

His every message screams that she is more to him than you are. He even SAYS if he had to choose - he would not choose you.

It's so inappropriate.

expatinscotland · 19/08/2014 17:11

He cares more about this other woman than you. He choses other woman, because that is exactly what she is (not ex-friend) over you.

See a solicitor.

He has a place to go, his mistress's home. So kick him out.

MerlinsUnderpants · 19/08/2014 17:12

When did your depression start? Is it linked to your husband being an utter cock and abandoning you with a baby and SPD in order to slag you off behind your back?

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:13

Lol chasedbybees - I told him I thought it was an emotional affair and he denied it.

I know it was an odd friendship but it kind of worked. It came about by a mutual interest but it was only after she left school that we had the three horses anyway - that's when we became closer friends. Up til then it was just the weekly lessons at a different stables. I also don't work at that school anymore.

I think I will start on the meds again. I'm finding life exhausting. Counselling didn't really work last time but might be worth another try.

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:14

Vitalstatistix I meant sexually inappropriate. I know it's massively inappropriate what he said in the texts.

He doesn't, however ...

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sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:16

Merlinsunderpants I've been manic depressive for years - usually self managed.

When I was younger I was emotionally and physically abused by my younger sister. She had massive angry management issues (and suspected schizophrenic) and tried to kill me many times, including dropping a sledgehammer over my head and holding knives to my throat.

I was also raped when I was at uni - explains why I don't like hugging and kissing ...

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bunnysmummy · 19/08/2014 17:16

Your husband is a twat. It all sounds like a nightmare, why is confiding to this younger women about your relationship. You've been seriously let down by those close to you at a very difficult time in your life. I can't say whether you should leave home but I'm not sure why your with him. How did you end up with a guy who sat outside in a car when you were socialising with people.
Hang on a minute, how old is the girl?

RobbStarksBitch · 19/08/2014 17:17

Jesus Christ OP that family sounds very very toxic and actually quite dangerous!

For whatever reason they are obviously trying to shut you out and your husband is going along with it! You need to get out of the situation ASAP because I honestly don't think you can save your marriage, they all sound very unstable and are doing your mental health no good.

I feel sick after reading all of that and really quite worried for you.

expatinscotland · 19/08/2014 17:18

Don't leave your own home. Why should you? The family said they will support him. So let them. He can go stay with his mistress.

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:19

Bunnysmummy she's now 19. I know it sounds bad with her but there's nothing sexual in this at all. The only thing that annoys me about her age is she has no life experience (only just got her first ever BF) so why was he so keen to get her opinion?

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zeezeek · 19/08/2014 17:22

It doesn't matter whether it's sexual or not. These are text messages between an ADULT man and a CHILD.

Whilst I don't agree with prying or snooping within a marriage (before some bright spark points out that I'm a hypocrite), you did it and you found messages that strongly suggest an inappropriate relationship.

I know you don't want to believe it, but it could be grooming.

phantomnamechanger · 19/08/2014 17:22

Your husband is not worthy of you OP.
He is the one person who should hold YOU on a pedestal above all others, support YOU through thick and thin, go out of his way to put YOU first above his own needs, above his own friends.
Instead he is slagging you off, wishing he could send you away and spend time socialising with someone else, talking behind your back, saying how much this other woman means to him.
Ditch him and don't look back, he is an arse of the highest order.

Vitalstatistix · 19/08/2014 17:23

How do you know that he does not have a sexual attraction to her at the root of his need to be emotionally close to her and his choice to prioritise her above you?

sanityisamyth · 19/08/2014 17:23

Thanks to those who did reply. Glad to see that the general consensus is the same as she said to my husband ... "Ditch the bit*h"!!

I am still totally in two minds about it. Sometimes we have better days and other times I just wanna kill him!

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FelineLou · 19/08/2014 17:24

The horses are yours not GITD or husband. You have too much on to look after them. Sell them and save up for when you are well enough to get one for you.
Your husband needs to address some of his neglect of you and LO and perhaps marriage counselling may help here.
You are not being U to feel this is all wrong and somehow your POV has to be recognised.
Most of all STOP apologising for being upset and expressing your needs and understanding of the situation.
Expect some unpleasantness before this is sorted and put you and LO first.

Vitalstatistix · 19/08/2014 17:25

What I mean is, if she said to him let's be together - what do you think he would do? I think that what is in his head is far more than friendship and closeness.

I think that you need to find ways to identify and set about changing those things that are holding you back so that you can feel able to make whatever decision you want and not make a choice that you are only making because you are afraid.

YouAreAMouseInAMaze · 19/08/2014 17:26

You need to admit that you have no idea about what went on between them. They have been spending a lot of time alone together and now she is becoming horrible and aggressive, at the same time as your husband is feeding her a load of stuff about how much hard work you are and sucking up to her by asking her opinion on stuff she has no idea about.

Your husband, frankly, sounds like a weirdo. He has an inappropriately close relationship with this girl and it's hard to tell how far it has gone. He is basically talking to her about leaving you and asking what she thinks about it. WTF? It sounds like he doesn't care about you at all and if I were you I would not count on him being around for much longer. He also sounds very immature.

phantomnamechanger · 19/08/2014 17:26

I know it sounds bad with her but there's nothing sexual in this at all

^ and how exactly do you KNOW this?
It certainly sounds like one or both of them want it to be, if they have not gone there yet.

I know a girl (aged 16, y11) who I taught, who set out to "get" her friends father who she fancied - a married father of 4 - so all the while she was round her friends house, she was actively cultivating the relationship with the father not the child. She eventually got a BF to make him jealous. It worked. The stupid arse left his wife of 16 years to shack up with a schoolgirl, had her pg within months. Such a mess all round.

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