To refuse to un-recline dd's plane seat...

[MerryMarigold]

Dh reckons I am. I reckon I am not.

So, long haul flight. Up at 3am to get to airport. 2 flights, 4 hour transit, bit of a hideous trip.

Anyways, on second flight, dd aged 5 FINALLY falls asleep. Thank God. Recline her seat so she is more comfortable and will hopefully sleep longer. 5 minutes later lady behind pokes my arm and asks me to put the chair up. Not very politely. I tell her my dd is asleep. She says she can't open her table with the chair reclined. (I have done this many times, so know it is entirely possible). I kneel on my chair and help her open table. Says she can't see TV screen. I adjust TV screen angle for her. She then proceeds to kick Dd's chair several times, whilst I get annoyed but decide to ignore.

10 mins later drinks come round and she speaks to the air steward in local language. He says to me. "Can I raise the seat?" and I tell him dd is sleeping. He says, "I'll do it gently" and just leans over me and does it. Thankfully she didn't wake up and managed to sleep in a contorted way for a lot longer.

I am usually the sort of person who doesn't stick up for myself and who doesn't like putting other people out (I didn't recline my own chair for the entire 9 hour flight as her large dh was behind me). I was very tired, I think that's why I was a bit arsey. I am also not being PFB. I have 3 children, but the others were not as tired and were fine.

Dh said it was her 'right' to have the seat up at least until the food is cleared up (this is probably at least 3 hours into the flight as it's a long flight). I said, "Says who?" Does her right to eat more comfortably trump my dd's right to sleep more comfortably?

So who is right?

I was thinking about the arm rest sitch, BringMeTea.

I expect he was pretty hacked off but her larger size rights would have trumped his own space rights, at least in her own mind. What could he say, really? I would never raise the armrest unless I was next to DH. It's very cheeky.

Thanks for your support and hope your upcoming flights are not too grim :)

Peace, love and non-reclining :)

for Slow. May all your flights be reclined and comfortable. You clearly deserve it.

But you're just as much - if not, more - a part of the 'it's my right' brigade, tea.

It's my right to have exactly X amount of room in front of me when I fly.
It's my right to expect the person in front of me to forego a feature of their seat that the airline explicitly provides them with.
It's my right to expect the person in front of me to prioritise my comfort over their own, regardless of how long they've been travelling.

You have to laugh, really.

Peace. Love. Comfort. And reclining.

(I am coming to this thread late and haven't been on a plane for ages so don't feel qualified to have an opinion - just want to know - who is winning - recliners or non-recliners?)

Ha ha.

Recliners always win because they possibly crush someone's knees/babies. But that is their inalienable right.

It's true, there really are parallel universes, BringMeTea

recliners crush babies, LOL - we're really getting to the bottom of the barrel now. hilarious.

next Hilter and nazi's will be brought in to the argument.

No recliner would ever have had the chance to crush my baby, because I either bought them a seat, or had my husband sit in front of me instead of beside me.

I was merely referring to previous posters' experiences of people reclining. Maybe you need to RTT. Hth. We have established your bad back/disability trumps anyone's knees. But please, spare a thought for the babies.

BringMeTea, it struck me that it was a Reverse Godwin's Law post. Certainly the first I've ever seen. I would classify it as passive-aggressive. I think your nice cake was wasted on the lady.

and possibly for you flipflops.

:)

Laughing actually out loud at the reverse Godwin's Law. Gosh I love that. Apposite flipflops.

There are none so blind ...

what's wrong with being aware of Godwin's law, that states every internet discussion ends in the silly side of argument accusing people of being Hitler-like or nazi, and to know the nazi comments are always preceded with ridculous posts like you crush babies or you kill puppies or you pull the nails out of kittens?

Oh gosh, BringMeTea. Where to start.

Slow, you put nails in kittens?

You really are the devil's work.

Slow, you put nails in kittens?

You really are the devil's work.

I know lol, but I only stick pins in kittens when there are no puppies tails to pull off or babies to crush

Merrymouse, clearly the 'don't really give a toss about reclining or not' brigade won. Much like the anti recliners are like the Jehovah's witnesses and the pro recliners like Richard Dawkins, the vast majority are somewhere more reasonable.

As an atheist I take massive exception to that, OP, especially after calling you reasonable earlier in your comeback posts :)

Mind you, RD can be a twat himself from time to time so I'd rather think of it as antis being people who care about themselves and others, with pros being people who only care about themselves.

Oh flipflops we are not allowed to consider ourselves considerate despite harming no one. It's a funny old world.

Trudat.

I'd rather think of it as antis being people who care about themselves and others, with pros being people who only care about themselves.

we all know by now flipflops that you'd rather think of anti-recliners as being the caring folks, but as has been pointed out umpteen times, that argument works both ways. It's not at all caring to make others suffer or to deny them what they have paid for or to scream at them during flights just so you don't feel claustrophobic

(or your femurs are long or your legs are differently configured or whatever).

we are not allowed to consider ourselves considerate despite harming no one. It's a funny old world.

what's really funny Tea is you don't see the irony of your own words.

as you were though, back to congratulating each other about how considerate and wonderful you both are and how recliners pull tails of of puppies and crush newborn babies.

I'll try to to snigger. Promise!

I'll try to to =typo = I'll try not to.

Actually, I feel sorry for SlowRed who either
a) has a crap job involving loads of flying when she has a bad back, and who is so bored at work that she is on this thread non-stop
or
b) is on holiday but so bored that she is on this thread non-stop, educating the ignorant folks who know nothing beacause we are not on a plane every week.