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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:40

Your very poetic Knitted.

I am wondering when the sun will come out again.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:40

Wow what a good tip, cheers softly.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 22:41

The man wasn't on the train when she was changing the baby!
She didn't say 'excuse me' to get him to let her in!

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:41

I thought you were hiding because you had a stalker?

Off you pop then, hide in the loos I hear they are really nice.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 22:41

Interesting Harold are we going to get into the semantics of how we feel about train loo's,
You may not mind them, I find them revolting.

Notso · 12/08/2014 22:43

... the man hadn't even got up to allow us to sit down.
What is that if not stopping her from sitting down.

The OP had a seat the station she was stopping at knew about so no it may or may not have been booked but it was where she was supposed to sit to receive help at her station.

cruikshank · 12/08/2014 22:43

Going to the toilet on a train is always an ordeal; changing a baby in one is even worse.

Although it does get better as they get older and they're using the toilet themselves, because then you can tell them that they need to ask the sink very politely and very loudly for water to wash their hands, while surreptitiously pressing the required floor button.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 22:45

I have worked in Bars too Softly and as a waitress and come across many awkward bastards.

I think a new religion will be springing up soon with many MN worshipping this man on the train, blindly and with ferocious devotion - The Man on The Train Cult.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 22:45

I don't suppose he knew it was her seat unless she asked- he wasn't there when she went.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:46

Or how about worshipping all the poor people that have to Use Loos?

Your point is a bit shit anyway, saying the man didn't have to move and shouldn't have been called a pervert is hardly worshipping him.

But you are rather prone to flights of fancy, so if it amuses you crack on.

Notso · 12/08/2014 22:46

How do you know she didn't say excuse me?

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 22:46

but it was where she was supposed to sit to receive help at her station.

the poor lady had even gone to these lengths to try and help herself I think she was very worked up about this big trip.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 22:48

Travelling on a train with a baby is an ordeal- had it not been then OP would have probably handled it better. Just learn from the experience. Hopefully the journey back will be better- come back and let us know.

KnittedJimmyChoos · 12/08/2014 22:49

I don't think I am the one prone to flights of fancy I think MN exalting this stranger with all these saintly qualities is a better example of flights of fancy.

Notso · 12/08/2014 22:49

Exactly Knitted

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 22:50

She didn't say excuse me because her priority was to get him to move seats as she sat down! Otherwise she would have sat down and then asked him.

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:51

Who is calling him a saint? I only see you calling him a saint.

Delphiniumsblue · 12/08/2014 22:51

It is typical MN, knitted! It will run for ages yet! Grin

HaroldLloyd · 12/08/2014 22:52

Where have all the normal people gone Sad

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 12/08/2014 22:52

Grin knitted

edamsavestheday · 12/08/2014 22:53

tbh she lost me with her hissy fit signing off with 'Paula out'. WTF? Just confirms the initial impression that she is Little Miss Precious of Princesstown.

I was prepared to be sympathetic to someone suffering from PFB syndrome and stressed and hassled by travelling with a baby, but her posts do scream 'massive sense of entitlement'. I feel for the poor bloke who had to put up with her causing a scene.

sleepysleepy · 12/08/2014 23:01

Maybe calling him a pervert is a bit unnecessary but the man on train sounds like a miserable sod to me. Any bloke I know would have moved - they don't have to, of course, but its a kind and chivalrous thing to do. Makes the world a slightly nicer place .
I don't think she was unreasonable to ask. Then I think she was just a bit flabbergasted that he chose to be difficult and everything escalated a bit after that - easily done when you are stressed and your baby is crying and you feel vulnerable (rightly or wrongly).

It's not a popular viewpoint tonight but I feel for you, op!

PhaedraIsMyName · 12/08/2014 23:08

Why would anyone need to move for her?

I might have if I'd been travelling on an open ticket, definitely not if I'd been on an allocated seat advance ticket.

badtime · 12/08/2014 23:11

I like threads like this. It gives me a good heads-up on who the special mumsnet snowflakes are, as it would take a breathtakingly entitled person to think that the OP was NBU.

sleepysleepy · 12/08/2014 23:15

He didn't have to. But if he could, why not?

If I was on a train and someone asked me to move because of any reason - needing more room to be comfortable, needing to work, wanting to sleep even - and there was a spare seat nearby and it made no odds to me to move, i would go. To be kind.

If he had a genuine need not to move fair enough. And he certainly had every right to stay where he was. But he was unkind to let her struggle and watch her get upset.