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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 09/08/2014 10:08

Lying I'm glad I'm not the only one to report it. It's absolutely appalling and I'm furious that it stands and MNHQ have refused to condemn it.

thecageisfull · 09/08/2014 10:12

so you'd move back the cageisfull. non issue

It's not a non issue. It's an issue. It's an issue if the person whose seat you're in gets stroppy with you. It's an issue if you get back to your seat and stroppy woman is saying 'you can't just sit here and watch' and suddenly you are standing up in a full carriage. It's an issue if someone has plonked a baby in your seat and refuses to move her. It's an issue if another passenger gets on, sits in your seat and then you have to turf them out. It's an issue if you want to get on with what your doing without having to think about moving seats. He might have wanted to go to sleep for his 5 hour journey or work or do any manner of things that don't involve moving seats and giving endless explanations to strangers and getting accused of being desperate to watch beast feeding. It might be a non issue for you but you don't get to decide if it's a non issue for him.

maddy68 · 09/08/2014 10:15

I think yabu. You could have moved elsewhere. Why should he? He has chosen and paid fir that specific seat. You knew you would need to feed en route. You could have chosen a more suitable seat yourself.

maddening · 09/08/2014 10:16

If there was room I would have just got on with bfeeding - the man would probably have moved himself when I started - if he had been staring or making me uncomfortable after that I would have spoken to the conductor.

If there was no room I would have spoken to the man and asked nicely - when he said no I would have asked the conductor if there was a space somewhere else on a double seat that was free rather than going into detail about the man's refusal to move - by turning it in to a row you made the situation uncomfortable for everyone including yourself but the conductor did make sure you had the spot you asked for and the man a suitable alternative being he didn't want nor legally move (although IMO he was unreasonable also to not move if there were other unbooked seats in the same carriage - so his move was unsociable but his legal right - IMO legal and entitlement don't alway equal the best or most sociable choice - it wouldn't have hurt him to move without a fuss)

So Yanbu but could have handled the situation better for your own good.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:31

Yes I am a woman and a mother of 4 breast fed babies.

I have fed them everywhere and anywhere without the need to flash my boobs, make a fuss, call strangers disgusting named either here on mumsnet or in real life.

I also brought up my children to listen to other people's views when they ask for opinions as the poster did otherwise shy post on aibu and not to ecoe to the whole world to move for them or revolve around them.

Lastly my dh commutes by train and books a seat. He travels for hours and would certainly my not give his seat up for such a ridiculous non reason.

Oh and for the record noone had ever perved at me breastfeeding as no one cares really.

Women do it in their millions all over the world.

Get a huge massive grip.

helensburgh · 09/08/2014 10:32

I think I may be in the minority here because I'm not trying to defend the Man, however what I found appalling is that he was given a first class seat!

No one else??

Notso · 09/08/2014 10:33

From the information in the OP I still think the man could have been nicer after the first request to move.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:33

And who are these men who are do weirded out they would instantly move if they saw a woman feeding?

My dh wouldn't and neither would my dds.

They are usually reading, working or asleep in trains.

No one cares. For goodness sake what a fuss.

Alisvolatpropiis · 09/08/2014 10:33

The man was harassed out of his seat by the op so no, it doesn't particularly bother me that he was moved well away from her to first class.

helensburgh · 09/08/2014 10:34

The body , I bring up my children to respect other people's opinions and not to bully.

people are different , the poster felt the way she did , why are pros continually attacking her.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:34

Sorry meant my dss.

BoffinMum · 09/08/2014 10:35

TBH before I could drive it was often me as mum of young baby who was invited to move into first class, mainly due to pram/aisle problems and babies fast asleep and so on (I've never been able to use slings much because of joint problems, even though I like them). Was it just me?

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:35

The poster was very rude to anyone who disagreed with her and was vile about and to a perfect stranger.

Sirzy · 09/08/2014 10:36

I reported that post. MNHQ replied justifying it - pretty much saying because the man isn't on here then the name calling can stand

helensburgh · 09/08/2014 10:36

The poster felt they way she did , not everyone does, fact.

There were other seats available, easier for him to move , fact.

People ar attacking her because of how she felt, that is wrong.

What man would like to continue sitting there , there would be an atmosphere.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 09/08/2014 10:36

No, I don't think so, helensburgh. He was given a first class seat because the OP kicked off and got her way, he was moved (to be a better seat away from her).

Are you so biased that you don't see that? OP's behaviour - however under strain she might have felt - was awful. The namecalling was horrendous. She should have received a stern warning to stop or get off the train altogether. It's not ok to treat anybody the way she did.

ilovesooty · 09/08/2014 10:37

The ticket collector gave the OP her privacy and acted to stop the OP harassing the man. I have no problem with his move to first class in this situation.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:37

Yes agree boff but you probably didn't demand someone give their seat to you.

Alisvolatpropiis · 09/08/2014 10:37

Other seats were available for her to move to as well Helen. Being a 'new mum' doesn't give her carte Blanche to be rude and aggressive.

helensburgh · 09/08/2014 10:38

There is no need to attack people for feeling a certain way.

No one can judge her , end of story.

Perhaps the poster is angry because people were attacking her and being rude to her.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out. You can't complain about her attitude after she's been attacked.

helensburgh · 09/08/2014 10:40

I don't see where in her post she called him names to his face

Alisvolatpropiis · 09/08/2014 10:40

Well we can judge her, because that is exactly what a post in AIBU is asking the reader to do - judge their actions/words.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 09/08/2014 10:40

I certainly didn't attack her for the way she felt.

I certainly disagreed with the way she acted and how she treated that man.

And please please stop saying the seats were free!!!!

They were quite probably booked!!!!

Sheesh.

ilovesooty · 09/08/2014 10:40

So Sirzy MNHQ thought it was ok for the OP to say that the man was a pervert and a misogynist after the tread didn't go the way she wanted?

That's absolutely disgusting.

HaroldLloyd · 09/08/2014 10:41

Why do people care if the man was moved to first class or not?