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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
Nicknacky · 08/08/2014 14:31

Where did the cute baby pic go?

Forgettable · 08/08/2014 14:32
gertiegusset · 08/08/2014 14:32

Oh and CC do a meet and assist service but it's actually operated by the station staff, called Booked Assistance.
Usually for disabled passengers and you can only use it if you book a seat, should be done in advance, lot of faffing to do it on the day of travel.
And it's free of charge.

pommedeterre · 08/08/2014 14:38

Dickie - not sure I understand. People generally admit to being all PFB (Precious First Born) with their, umm, first born.

Alisvolatpropiis · 08/08/2014 14:38

So...MNHQ thinks OP is being unreasonable as well then.

prettybird · 08/08/2014 14:49

On Cross-Country trains, you can reserve your seat up to 10 minutes before your train departs (from the station you get on at). Therefore, a seat that isn't showing as currently reserved, could in the course of a longer journey, become reserved part way through the journey.

On of the earlier posters described how she did accommodate someone with a toddler in a similar way on condition that if someone did come along with a reservation for the seat that she moved to, she would want her original seat back. When that did indeed happen, the selfish, entitled mother refused to give up the seat and the poster ended up having to stand for 2 hours Hmm

Who's to say that the gentleman hadn't been stung previously in a similar way?

SpringyReframed · 08/08/2014 14:55

Who said anything about being "allowed" Altinkum? It is an advantage to the man's own comfort too, to not have to sit next to OP and baby as OP has to sit with her elbows further out, not pinned to her sides.

browneyedgirl86 · 08/08/2014 14:58

Myself and DP are travelling to London tonight on the train.
Slightly nervous we will meet someone like the OP!

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 15:03

but really by 7 months you are as good as you are likely to get!

No way its different for each person, i remember going on hols with baby at 9/10months and was panicking about exposing myself.

18 months on, I care little about exposure and I have much more confidence and much much more able and adept at up and down tops, etc etc...

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 15:15

Myself and DP are travelling to London tonight on the train.
Slightly nervous we will meet someone like the OP!

Be afraid, be very afraid - honeslty now you know the sort of person out there travelling on the trains, do some role play with each other to prepare....

MollyHooper · 08/08/2014 15:28

I know some posters think they are being supportive of a new mother but some of the attitudes are really unsettling.

A woman becomes vulnerable because she has a 7 month old on a train? Why assume all mothers are helpless little women? The OP had every opportunity to make arrangements for herself before she even got on the train but instead chose to rely on everyone else to make her life easier.

As for the man, yes it would have been nice of him to move but it wasn't essential. The OP said 'I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching' Watching? Quite an assumption to make, perhaps he just doesn't see breastfeeding as huge deal/didn't give a shiny shite what she did?

It seems it fits better with some people to label him as a pervert rather than (shock, horror) a man who finds BFing as a normal thing. It's much more dramatic that way.

I suspect the OP will dine on this one for years. Sadly it just put's those of us who just want to get on with life back a few yards.

brokenhearted55a · 08/08/2014 15:34

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

kali110 · 08/08/2014 15:50

I said from ops first post she sounded sexist. Last post makes me think she is even more.

I would like to know what the spirit of mn is nowadays also?
Wish they'd stop deleting comments.nevrr know where i am!
Mn was the only site people could actually
Be honest especially in aibu.
Im saying this and iv been on the end of a real
Big flaming.

browneyedgirl86 · 08/08/2014 15:50

Lol Sweetpea!

Incidentally I'm not sure what DP would do if he was in that position the man in the OP was in. He's quite shy and probably would move out of embarrassment.

He's nervous enough about the sleeper from the basis that toilets won't be great (he has IBS) I'm not sure he's thought about breastfeeding mothers trying to turf him out his seat! Probably best don't mention this thread to him :)

Notso · 08/08/2014 15:50

She walks down the whole carriage with the baby in a sling breastfeeding while pushing the pram

Am astounded she managed to get a pram down the carriage, did you see the make because I want one!

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 08/08/2014 15:51

Well I have bf 4 children and assumed that it was my choice to have them, my choice to breast feed them and my choice to go in public transport.

Never felt the need to ask someone to move out of their seat for me or accuse random men of being perverts or indeed had massive strops and tantrums either.

Very strange behaviour op yabu.

puntasticusername · 08/08/2014 15:51

Honest is fine. Nasty, not so much. There have been a fair few of the latter sort of posts.

puntasticusername · 08/08/2014 15:51

Sorry, that was to kali

brokenhearted55a · 08/08/2014 15:54

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

iK8 · 08/08/2014 15:55

So are we all agreed a woman has a right to breastfeed her baby in public free from harrasment but she does not have the right to impose an exclusion zone?

I really think the original post is the most precious thing I've ever read on here.

Notso · 08/08/2014 15:58

Boo brokenhearted though I was getting a new pram then!
I had the pram folded last week and still got a load of tutting and eye rolling as I walked it down to the luggage rack.

almondcakes · 08/08/2014 16:01

I really wish that train companies would put up prominent signs on trains explaining that many tickets are only valid if the passenger sits in their assigned seat.

I don't buy assigned seat tickets because I want to act entitled. I buy them because they are cheaper and the ones I can afford.

I have had numerous arsey people ask me or my kids to move or not let us sit in our seats for reason of their own xyx. But we have to sit there - or buy new tickets when the inspector appears.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 16:01

Incidentally I'm not sure what DP would do if he was in that position the man in the OP was in. He's quite shy and probably would move out of embarrassment

Mine is quite shy too but is a gentleman and someone who would not want to see someone struggle when he could help.

To be honest, if my husband would not move out of his seat for a woman and her baby....I would be seriously wondering what sort of man I married.

Lucyccfc · 08/08/2014 16:08

I travelled by train to work last week and the lady sat next to me started to breast feed. We just smiled at each other and I carried on reading my paper.

No big deal, no fuss. I couldn't see anything. If she had asked me to move 'for her privacy', I'd have laughed and politely told her to sod off.

You sound like an entitled princess, who kicked up a fuss over nothing.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 16:09
  • If she had asked me to move 'for her privacy', I'd have laughed and politely told her to sod off

Bully for you, give yourself a pat on the back Confused