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Breastfeeding on Cross Country trains - a horrid experiance

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Paulala · 07/08/2014 23:11

Hello ladies, I'm a first time poster & a first time mum so apologies if I introduce myself by way of a horrid experience but I'd like to know if you think I'm being unreasonable.

I've just taken my first train journey with my 7 month old boy, we were travelling alone to Derby with everything we needed for a week on a Cross Country train. Everything was going ok until we returned to our seat from a nappy change. The nappy change itself was quite upsetting for him, being strapped to a table in a moving urine soaked metal cubical isn't very pleasant, but I hadn't expected a lot from the facilities.

I intended to give him a breastfeed at our seat but when we got there the seat beside us was occupied (we were in a set on 2 seats not a table of 4). I asked the man sitting in the seat if it would be possible for him to move to one of the single vacant seats 3 rows up just while I breastfed so I could have a little bit of privacy. He said No & stated that was the seat he was allocated why should he move.

I asked him again saying my baby needed to be fed, he was hungry & distressed & there were empty seats in view he could use. He said I should move there instead, this really wouldn't have helped as they were single aisle seats & would have meant I'd have to feed even more publicly. I was so upset I asked him if he expected me to breastfeed in the seat beside him with him watching & he just shrugged his shoulders.

At this point everyone close by was aware of the situation & I'm still standing in the aisle with an upset baby, this man hasn't even got up to allow us to sit down. The ticket inspector then arrives & I explain to him that the man in the seat beside us is causing a lot of distress with his insistence on sitting there while I breastfed. Anyone who's traveled by train will know neighbouring seats offer no prospect of personal space.

I fully understand his right to the seat he booked but both he & I could see other seats he could have taken until I stopped feeding then he could have returned to the seat he booked when we finished. I'm sure many men would have been totally ok with doing that. Instead he was nasty & snarly & the thought of him watching me feed my baby in such a tight space was horrible. I had no option but to ask the ticket inspector to help me find another seat & to help me move all my things, we would also need the assistant at Derby station to be made aware we'd be on another carriage. All because this man would not move 3 rows up.

Still seating stubbornly in his seat the man recognised how upset he'd made me & stated loudly to everyone, right I'll move & asked the guard what he was going to do about it. The guard then said we'll sit you in first class sir don't worry about it you will be ok there. I couldn't believe it he'd made me suffer through a very public request to breastfeed privately (or as private as I could be) he'd initially insisted he would not move while I did so & left me feeling like I shouldn't be breastfeeding on a train, all while I stood with a distressed baby in a moving carriage while everyone watched. When the man eventually moved I sat & fed my baby & cried it was the worst breastfeeding experience I've ever had.

I have to travel back next week with the same train company & I'm dreading it, I can't express milk & I'm really worried something similar will happen again. I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Cheers ladies,
Paula

OP posts:
DownByTheRiverside · 08/08/2014 12:09

You can reserve a seat, they put the little ticket in the top holder for you. Then if the seat is unoccupied after your stop, because you missed the train or you're stuck in a different carriage, the rail staff remove the ticket about 2o minutes later.
My friend books one for his cello.

writtenguarantee · 08/08/2014 12:11

You do written as do I but I think we know who all the others out who do not are.....

as far as I am aware, unless you are sitting in "priority" seats (or whatever they are called), you don't.

I have traveled on trains a lot. I have given up my seat for couples wanting to sit together (i.e. I am sitting beside someone and his partner has to sit somewhere else). I really don't see the big deal. it's a damn train seat, not a diamond ring. Yes, if I then get turfed out of my new seat for some reason, I go back and say sorry but I need my seat back. Simple.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:11

Singles on the aisle.

WafflesandWhippedCream · 08/08/2014 12:12

My DH would have got up too, even if there weren't any other available seats, and even if he had reserved the seat for himself, I know he would. But he might be annoyed if he was asked in a rude or demanding fashion. He would still move, but would be quietly fuming. Maybe it was the way the OP asked that made the man dig his heels in.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:13

Same here written, I have done it for people and people have done it for me....

IceBeing · 08/08/2014 12:13

I was asked by a frazzled mother if I would mind moving to a single space and did so without thought. So the man here was being unreasonable. However as soon as he refused you have no option but to say 'May we get to our seat then' and just get on with it. YABU to do anything else.

Although I certainly wouldn't have made much effort to avoid elbowing, kicking, milk splurting etc.

writtenguarantee · 08/08/2014 12:14

And then you sit down again whilst the fat lady screams at you for humiliating her?

never happened (though in another setting I have made that mistake).

Notso · 08/08/2014 12:14

I know you can do it DownByTheRiverside I have done several times. There is no guarantee you get it though, if the train is delayed, or particularly packed it isn't unusual to be told that anyone can sit anywhere and reservations are off.
I have experienced this to my convenience, getting to sit in First Class when I only payed Standard but the train was full to the brim. Also to my inconvenience, having to stand for two hours 7 months pg holding a 14 month old.

SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:16

Also to my inconvenience, having to stand for two hours 7 months pg holding a 14 month old

You poor thing. But its not surprising going from this thread why no one offered you their seat!

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SweetSummerSweetPea · 08/08/2014 12:17
  • IceBeing Fri 08-Aug-14 12:13:55

certainly Ice, i think most of us who are handier at this stuff would have done that....this mother is a first timer getting to grips with it all.

its all new and scary and a huge faff to her...

revealall · 08/08/2014 12:17

I'd bet if the Op had said "sorry, I've got to feed my baby apologies now if I elbow you" he might have offered to move.
Nothing would annoy me more than an entitled mother 'telling' me what I should do. And he did offer to move didn't he so he wasn't stuck on having an eyeful.

gertiegusset · 08/08/2014 12:19

I don't necessarily agree she was BU, I would've moved if it made things easier for a BFing Mother.
The bit I don't get is naming the train company and being scared of travelling with them again.
The trains don't guarantee you a seat unless you book one.
I'm surprised the guard moved the man to first class, I have family who work on Cross Country, and on that line, they say all their staff would be far more likely to move a distressed bfing Mother if they thought she had good reason.
But they don't HAVE to move anyone.

corkgirlindublin · 08/08/2014 12:19

sweetsummerpea, my husband has watched my boobs hanging out almost continuously at home for 5 years as I have been feeding my children continuously for all that time. He would be shocked someone made such a deal about breastfeeding. It wouldn't even occur to him to look or look away, he see's it as a normal function of the female body.

CinnabarRed · 08/08/2014 12:21

BIL booked a seat for his bag and got arsey and eventually escorted off the train when the guard told him to move it so an old lady could sit down.

Notso - really? I'm horrified your BIL thought his bag should take priority over a living, breathing person under any circumstances!

Was it a particularly special bag? Carrying organs for transplant or similar?

soverylucky · 08/08/2014 12:21

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BoneyBackJefferson · 08/08/2014 12:22

This thread has been quite amusing.

From what I understand a mother wanted to (quite rightly) breastfeed in public, but she wanted to breastfeed in public in private Hmm, or was it because the man was the wrong type of public?

Sirzy · 08/08/2014 12:23

You can't compare someone not offering their seat for a standing person with greater need and someone not leaving their seat simply because someone wants 2 seats. You want 2 seats you book 2 seats (and hope nobody else needs that seat)

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 08/08/2014 12:25

Boney I think she fancied the idea of a mn campaign and she didn't get the support she assumed would follow. Wink

I think trains should have a breastfeeding policy which recognises a womans need for privacy and a bit of respect. Not a system where men are rewarded for making women feel bad about the need to feed their babies. Do you think I'm being unreasonable?

Sirzy · 08/08/2014 12:27

Gertie - I guess he was moved because his trip was being disturbed by another traveller so he got an upgrade for his inconvenience

florascotia · 08/08/2014 12:27

Notso-

Only people can reserve seats.
You can claim compensation if a reservation is not honoured.

This is from the National Rail Conditions of Service www.thetrainline.com/buytickets/nationalcarriage.aspx#section1g :

"40. Reserving seats

Seats in some trains can be reserved before you travel and you may have to pay a fee. Unless you have a seat reservation, the Train Companies do not guarantee to provide a seat for your journey. You must have a valid ticket for your journey before reserving a seat. Each ticket allows you to reserve no more than one seat per person for each part of your journey. "

and

" 41. Refund of reservation fees

If a seat reservation, sleeper reservation or cycle reservation is not honoured, the Train Company responsible will refund any reservation fee paid. If the Train Company is unable to provide alternative equivalent accommodation for you or your cycle, you will be compensated for the inconvenience. The value of the compensation will be no more than the price of the full single fare for the journey. If you are unable or have decided not to travel you will be entitled to claim a refund under Condition 26 for the relevant part of your journey."

Thurlow · 08/08/2014 12:29

From what I understand a mother wanted to (quite rightly) breastfeed in public, but she wanted to breastfeed in public in private hmm, or was it because the man was the wrong type of public?

Perfect summary.

Surely if you know you are going to have to breastfeed in public - on a train, plane, restaurant, whatever - and you think you'll be slightly uncomfortable with it, then you plan ahead and think how you'll manage it? bring a shawl if you want to cover up?

IceBeing · 08/08/2014 12:33

sweetsummerpea hmmm not sure I believe I have superhuman BFing skills... but really by 7 months you are as good as you are likely to get!

7 months is not a new mum.

You can blame people for deliberate attempts to make you feel unwelcome to BF but not for just being around while you BF....

Andrewofgg · 08/08/2014 12:36

If you buy two tickets and book two seats then your cello trumps the passenger with no seat reservation!

EarthWindFire · 08/08/2014 12:36

Also to my inconvenience, having to stand for two hours 7 months pg holding a 14 month old

You poor thing. But its not surprising going from this thread why no one offered you their seat!

Who said they wouldn't in these circumstances!?

The OP had a seat but they wanted two!

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