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To not really want my DSes to see their Aunties' boobs!

145 replies

Lemonheart · 02/08/2014 17:16

Have NC because this is quite specific!

Next year, my DM celebrates a big birthday. She is planning a party for all the family in a hall with a disco, a live band ... and burlesque.

The burlesque troupe is run by DSis2, and also includes DSis1 and our cousin. They are very good at what they do, singing, dancing, pole dancing etc, but there is an obvious sexual undertone to all of this, and they do strip down to being topless apart from masking tape on their nipples. I should add that I have no problem with this and am very proud of them and don't think I am particularly prudish!

But DM intends for the burlesque to go on in between the live band's sets, meaning it won't just be late night entertainment, it will be on throughout her party, including when the kids are there. I have 3 DSes, and the youngest two are 3 and 1, so I doubt it will have much impact on them, but the eldest will be coming up to 7 and I just don't know what he will make of it. I might sound like I'm pearly clutching now, but I just don't think it's appropriate entertainment for a family party.

Seeing my sisters' boobs will be a bit weird for DH (he made a yik face when I told him!), and there will be aunts, uncles and grandparents there, plus DSis's own DS. It's a show that is designed to titillate, how is that appropriate when the guests are all family?

I understand that my DM is proud of my DSisters and I haven't said anything yet. I just want to know if I am being ridiculous and small minded first. WIBU to ask DM to schedule the burlesque show for the end of the evening so I can take my DSes home to bed first?

I suspect it will cause a bit of a row if I say anything, and I am sure I will be accused of being jealous and prudish.

Am I?

OP posts:
fluffyraggies · 04/08/2014 15:57

Everything everyone is saying ^^ !

Please take the chance now to draw a line under this. To hell with your mother not liking it. She lost her privileges to hold any sway on what you do or do not do with your children when she fucked up royally behaved so very badly with her own. Remember this.

I understand that this all runs very deep. Your posts are very eloquent and i can see how this is a tangled emotional web.

However - take strength from the advice of all the posters here who have the crystal clear vision of the outsider and are advising you to take a stand. If you cant get a babysitter then you or your DH or both of you can stay at home with them (in all honesty i'd rather be at home than watch a sibling, or one of my inlaws do a strip-tease). Be honest about why. You're the childrens mum, you say what goes.

We can see it for what it is - you are allowed to see it too. You're a good person. Don't let your past blight your children now. It's ancient history.

thewavesofthesea · 04/08/2014 16:01

You lost me at masking tape on the nipples.

That's got to hurt removing it.

misses point entirely

sweetnessandlite · 04/08/2014 17:20

I agree with Mammusa - What would child protection think of your sisters performing their sleazy stuff in front of minors?

And as I said 'up post', if your children's teachers find out that your children are seeing things that are sexually explicit despite your Sister claiming otherwise, then you are opening a can of worms.

Keep your children away from this show.
It's not age appropriate. And that's the law.

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 04/08/2014 19:07

Waves I think there must be a special strippers type otherwise it'd have their nipples off, surely? Or am I thinking of duck tape?

LetsFaceTheMusicAndDance · 04/08/2014 19:17

The bottom line is that your children are your children. It's your responsibility to protect them from this kind of stuff. I know families are complicated etc etc but it's your responsibility to stand between your children and these people with inappropriate behaviours even if that means life gets difficult for you. Thimk of it as the emotional equivalent of standing between your child and a snarling dog.

MaryWestmacott · 04/08/2014 19:24

I can understand your reluctance to have the fight, especially around your DMs significant birthday, however even if your dm wants the ds's there, your desire to keep them safe should be more important.

If you really can't face the fight then strategic D&V might be in order, as I said earlier, there's unlikely to be many occasions they will be performing that are hard to decline - that's really only family events and your dm seems to be the only one crazy enough to book them...

BigfootFiles · 05/08/2014 10:27

Causing a child to watch a sexual act is covered in the Sexual Offences Act 2003. If found guilty, I think the perpetrator would be be on the sex offenders register. Your DM and Dsis might want to have a think about that.

DizzyKipper · 05/08/2014 11:58

DM got affronted at me and said it wasn't any different to breastfeeding.

That quite annoys me. When I breastfeed I am NOT jiggling my breasts about, putting on tassels, and trying to get as much attention put on my breasts as possible. I'm just feeding my child. Yes it is different! Different motivation, different purpose, completely different behaviour. I'm not sure if that kind of attitude of breastfeeding being the same thing as doing a strip tease is symptomatic of society's unhealthy perception of breasts or down to the individual, but you should be able to distinguish between non-sexualised infant feeding behaviour and provocative sexualised behaviour that emphasises the role breasts play in mate attraction.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 05/08/2014 12:18

The trouble is Bigfoot I suspect the DM and Dsis would not think about it! They seem so cut off from normal thinking that they'd find the suggestion outrageous and crazy and the sign of a disturbed mind.

I wouldn't try and do any convincing, family dynamics are not up for changing, they are very resilient to change, especially from someone on the inside. If the OP tries to change them, she'll find herself locked into a huge and damaging battle, ending up with her being ejected from the family.

On the other hand you obviously cannot let your kids be exposed to their warped view of women and sexuality.

I'd become emotionally and physically unavailable, polite yet just so busy. Agreeing its such a shame and yes you feel so sad yet ... Become the master of polite excuses.

BookABooSue · 05/08/2014 12:19

thewaves I think it's like the tape you wear with strapless dresses. iirc you use hand cream or lotion to help to remove it. (I had a straight strapless dress that I had to tape on!)

WhoDaresWins · 05/08/2014 12:54

My family are so boring.

MaryWestmacott · 05/08/2014 17:56

Miscellaneous - I think BigFoot probably has a good point, people who don't think they are doign anything morally wrong might stop behaviour if they think it's criminal. Oh, they'll bitch about the 'nanny state', but faced with going on the sex offenders register, might make them more likely to tone it down than saying "it's not right" - "it's illegal" tends to work on people like this more.

But yes, for me personally, if it's only going ot be something like parties like this, then i'd consider it to be better to just not go, being busy or sick. Every single time.

Lemonheart · 05/08/2014 19:54

Thanks again to everyone for your excellent advice, it's really helped me to see things from the outside in.

My mum's breakdown and all the surrounding hoo-haa happened almost 20 years ago, but after my dad left he moved in with someone who wouldn't even countenance me and my DSisters living with them. We were all studying and at school and at the time we didn't really have a choice but to brush all DM's activities under the carpet and try to rebuild a vestige of family life.

Of course it's all bubbled to the surface a few times since but DM has always been dismissive, saying it's an old chestnut that gets thrown in her face etc. I was very very internally angry about it for a long time, and can't say I had a good relationship with her until my DSes were born. She has been a good GM and loves my DSes and it has helped to paper over the cracks, but then something like this crops up and all my old rage, mistrust and lack of respect for her come back.

She clearly does have strange boundaries when it comes to sex. Thinking back, my DSisters were always allowed to have boyfriends to stay over when they were in their teens, including when they were underage. DM used to be overly involved in their relationships and bustups etc too. I remember her and DSis1 having flings with a couple of mates who were working in the town over the summer, both these blokes were in their 20s, DSis probably 15/16 and DM late 40s. These blokes were sleeping in caravans and tents and DM and DSis went with them.

My dad had had a gutful and was humiliated and had moved far away to get away from all the gossip and was embroiled with this woman. He just didn't want to be involved and I just felt too embarrassed to talk to anyone else.

I didn't really want DM or DSisters involved in my relationships so they never really met anyone before DH. I suppose being the OW suited me at that point because I didn't have any pressure from that bloke to meet my family! But I am so ashamed when I look back now. i can't believe that was me. He had a very nice DW who I knew, and a young DD and I just didn't care. I was just like a blow up doll for him and that was enough.

I remember being surprised by how kind and demonstrative DH was when we first got together. Just the way he kissed my head when he brought me a cup of tea, or that he cared when I was ill. In restrospect I was absolutely starved of normality!

When DH and I had DS1 and then got married, I think DM and DSisters were all really shocked. My youngest DSis was particularly weirded out by it, so much so that she immediately got engaged to the bloke she had been seeing for 3 months and also got pregnant. She shoehorned her wedding in 2 months before mine, in the same hotel, which at the time I was seriously hurt about. She split up with her H less than a year later and hasn't really enjoyed motherhood. DNephew has spent half the week at his paternal GM's since birth and she has admitted she has never really bonded with him.

I apologise for waffling but it's been really cathartic, so thanks to you all for reading. I had no idea when i started this thread that it would open up all this stuff. I didn't know how much it still affected me, or that it had rooted itself so much into my family.

As for the party, I am definitely determined that my DSes will not be seeing any burlesque one way or the other. Whether that's though confrontation or avoidance I'm not sure yet, but since the party is not until next year I have plenty of time to decide.

As for the masking tape question, I think it is something that is made for strippers. My DSisters call it pasties or patsies? One of them has a pierced nipple so it can't be that painful to take off. HTH!

Thank you all again for being so nice and so normal! Smile

OP posts:
Mammuzza · 05/08/2014 20:19

Waffle away love.

It can be a bugger when your parents split in your adolence/teens. You know enough to be aware of stuff you'd rather you didn't know about, but no voice becuase "oh you'll understand when you have grown up"

And sometimes we do. Just not the "understanding" quasi demanded of us.

So waffle away. Better out than in.

It's not actually waffle love. It's pain, confusion, hurt... all the things that get felt, shoved down to fester while you set to trying to get through a difficult age/stage with the added complication of parents distracted by their own stuff.

I think becoming a parent yourself can act like a poltice that draws out the "papered over" stuff. Becuase there is a certain clarity when you look at your own child, you can put your finger on the heart of the matter. Stuff like "why were our needs a lesser priority than your wants".

It's no cake walk. But if it's any consolation, proper healing can start once the wound is cleaned out. And you can get a kind of internal peace that has proved rather elusive over the years.

mumminio · 05/08/2014 20:27

Can you be more open minded?

Kidding. YANBU. Well done for standing up and protecting your children from this weird and inappropriate situation.

and I thought my family was the weirdest around...apparently not! Woo!

mumminio · 05/08/2014 20:30

Shit I'm so sorry for my last comment. Just read your last post...so glad you have a loving husband and family now. Even more reason to protect your children from your mum and sisters.

thewavesofthesea · 05/08/2014 20:33
Grin

Thanks for clearing that up! And to whoever said it may have been duck/duct tape.....owwwwww!

In all seriousness, it all sounds very odd, and I feel for you. I have a mother who makes me feel like the odd one for not going along with some things that are just not normal. It is so hard to do what you believe is right sometimes. Good luck x

phantomnamechanger · 05/08/2014 21:19

OP, you know what, you are awesome! To have come through what you have, and be so stable and grounded and sensible - good for you!! Testimony to what a great relationship you and your DH must have too.

You are doing absolutely the right thing to protect your sons from your family members' skewed sense of what is normal/acceptable/appropriate - don't ever forget that.

One day your sons may be parents themselves and will understand and greatly appreciate what you did.

Thebodyloveschocolateandwine · 05/08/2014 21:36

Totally agree with phantom you are fantastic op.

Mammuzza · 05/08/2014 21:47

One day your sons may be parents themselves and will understand and greatly appreciate what you did.

^^that.

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