to think this should have been murder? Warning: potential triggers. Distressing content. [title edited by MNHQ]

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So it's culpable homicide because she didn't mean to kill him? ok then. I hope there is a special place in hell for people like her.

popette

Would you be so appeasing had the killer been his father?

Sorry, what is it we are meant to be 'raising awareness' of here??

Popette , I think comments like yours are much more damaging to people suffering silently from depression.

I'd hate to think of someone trying to hide their PND/bonding issues because they were afraid that they'd be considered similar to a woman who brutally murdered her child.

This was not a one off act of rage. This child was systematically abused, beaten, left to die and then his murder was covered up and she coldly pretended he was missing. She is nothing, nothing like a normal struggling parent.

When I find parenting hard some days, I get takeaway and let my kids watch a bit too much telly. I don't beat them.

No, I read The Times. I also have no time for anyone who abuses another person, in any way, shape, or form. Particularly when it's their own, tiny child. I don't care what their pathetic reasons are, there is help out there, this woman had family, who tried to get help, and she still did indescribable things to her tiny, fragile little boy.

Also, what strawberryangel said.

As for your nonsense about raising awareness?

Awareness of what; you might suspect that a parent might be neglecting their children and they're at risk so report them to SS.....

Oh wait, SS were involved and look what happened.

i think we are able to get our information from other news sources

but if the mail are lying im sure legal action will be taken

by the way im Bipolar with 3 children,single parent and have Never neglected them,they ARE my purpose for living i would be nothing without them

Blaming her actions on depression, and a million and one other things, is both insulting and harmful to those who do suffer.

WE are NOTHING like her. Don't label her and demean the rest of us. Accept that there ARE evil people in this world, and she is one of them.

I think it an insult to the millions of mums to blame it on depression.

The fact of the matter is that she abused that boy, to the point that it killed him.

Those who are sticking up for this women, are you going to start stick up for baby p mother, or the mother who faked her daughter missing.

She should rot in prison, because no decent human being subject a small child to physical abuse and kills that child. She is a cold hearted murderer.

IMO his mother, social services and the courts have let that boy down before his death and even after his death the court have let that boy down.

"Parenting is tough" WTF?

Yeah, it can be. And??

I can't believe I just read that

Poor little boy

It turns my stomach to think about how much he must have suffered.

I have absolutely no sympathy for her. What a truly wicked, awful woman. This story has reminded me of the book 'A Child Called It'. The little boy in that book was always singled out by his vile mother. I just don't understand it at all. How anybody could hurt another person that way is simply beyond me.

11 years. I mean...Jesus. Is that really the price people pay in this country for killing an innocent 3 year old child? Intent or not, I'd lock her up and throw away the damn key. For good.

parenting got in the way of the life she wanted,she neglected All her children for her own selfish needs

As for the "bonding" problems being an excuse - bullshit.

There are a lot of people I don't bond with. It doesn't mean I have any urge to abuse them.

Popette yes parenting is hard, Ds is very hard work and in 8 years I have never laid a finger on him.

I do wonder why didn't she attack random people on many of her nights out or any adult. Why just a 3 year old boy.

Because she could :(

This sentence is inadeqate. You can get 14-20 years for dealing Class A drugs, and similar sentences for serious financial crimes, why is a child's life worth so little? I don't support capital punishment and I certainly don't read the fucking Daily Mail, but I would have no issue with a US-style 225-year sentence

I'm with popette on this. I found it incredibly difficult to read the detail of what happened to the little boy, but there is a huge amount of arrogance on this thread, about how no-one can act out of desperation at their own situation. Far too many people saying that they are depressed, but wonderful mothers. Then perhaps your depression is nothing like this woman's. Impossible to know. Unless you were in this mother's head, you shouldn't judge. And not one of you have the court papers, so know nothing of what went on.

This stuff about rotting is disgusting. The thread strongly resembles The Mail at its worst.

You found it difficult to read it?? Aww poor you

Imagine how that small boy felt!

And if her depression was such a factor why is she in a prison and not psychiatric care???

Is it true she asked for the twins to be adopted? Why didn't that happen?

She apparently googled "I find it hard to love my son" and "covering up bruises" in the months before she killed him.
So she knew she had problems bonding and was trying to find ways to resolve this, but she sought no RL help depite SW being involved.
Googling "covering up bruises" points towards her having hit him previously. I have no sympathy for her at all.

I also feel dreadfully sorry for her other dc. They must have been some awareness of what was going on and been very frightened.

ha ha when my Bipolar was at it's worst i really didnt feel like going clubbing with known coke dealers,dam bipolar

was she actually diagnosed as having mental health problems before she killed her son??

i find your post very insulting to say the least,i think you should read up on genuine mental health issues instead of yourself plucking wild theories out of the air