to think this should have been murder? Warning: potential triggers. Distressing content. [title edited by MNHQ]

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So it's culpable homicide because she didn't mean to kill him? ok then. I hope there is a special place in hell for people like her.

Heart breaking. I cried reading this. The image of the little boy being beaten as he was being sick is awful.

Vile woman, I wonder what it was about him being sick that made her angry. I am hoping bad things happen to her which is unlike me. The attcack lasted so long and wouldn't have been the first time she did it however the judge believes that she didn't set out to kill him hence the other charge.

I hope her other children are ok and have a fulfilling life without her.

The image of the little boy being beaten as he was being sick is awful thats the part that really got me too, feeling sick is dreadful, and scary when your little now compounded with that vicious violence.

I really pray we have a radicle change of law where children are involved, in every sense, people that know children are at risk need to be at risk of prosecution and so ..I would like a special prison for child abusers/killers with hard labour involved and much tougher...

I usually the voice of empathy and reason, imagining how many things can come together and create a tragedy.

But in this case, reading the details of how a mother launches assault after assault on her little boy, he was sick and hurting, and she killed him for crying. That poor poor child. I can't imagine his last days. It's truly awful.

I get the legal stuff about securing a conviction, but I wish she could be held accountable for as long as she lives. She did this, to her own son, and nothing, but nothing, can excuse that.

I agree with the comments made by Meloria before she was bullied off the discussion.
It's likely nobody on this thread knows what it is like to have problems bonding with their child. Rosdeep, it is quoted in the guardian, did not find it easy to seek help. She was struggling to cope with the impact of raising 5 children, one of whom she could not relate to. Any other outside factors could trigger the irrational temper outburst and not necessarily evil malice... Depression, exhaustion, frustration,these all make people act totally out of character.

Are we all perfect mothers on this board? Never lost our temper? Never felt like we were spinning out of control? None of us would lose it like this, I know and I cannot condone her actions or treatment of that poor child, but I don't think she is evil. I think mothers that are struggling find it so hard to seek help because it's still taboo to say you cannot cope.

I feel for her and wish desperately that this issue of lack of bonding and it's potential consequences would get more exposure. Her jail term is about right and I hope she receives a huge amount of counselling.

What? She 'lost her temper' for three days??

Feel sorry for her!? Seriously!

Why do you feel sorry for her? Would you feel sorry for the father if he couldn't bond with his child? Would you feel sorry if it had been the father that had done it or is your compassion only reserved for women?

I love Mumsnet, really I do. But sometimes this over competitive woolly bleating that everyone is kind/sad/lonely and there's no such thing as an evil person baffles me.

Wake up. There are evil people in this world. Whether they were born or made that way is irrelevant. It's their actions that speak.

Or do you think the Wests, Sutcliffe, Brady, Hindley, and all the myriad of evil that has gone before and after them, need pity?

You're feeling sorry for a woman who systematically beat a tiny, malnourished child for three days. And left him to die.

I can't feel sorry for her, I hope every day of her life is miserable.

Her own mother had reported her. Neglect was a bit of a theme in this 'mothers' life. Except partying. She was good at that!

I'd like her, and her ilk, to love a long life. And for every day of that life to be a living, waking hell.

I am generally a woolly minded liberal. But I cannot muster an ounce of compassion for that heartless bitch. I hope she suffers, mentally and physically every day for the rest of her life.

hold on she neglected her other kids to

yes she singled the little boy out physically but she also left her other kids on their own all weekend while she went partying with known drug dealers

so she had no time for them all

who leaves 5kids all weekend locked in a house,no parental charge to go out partying,i think this has slipped some peoples mind

When her initial anger receded...what drove her to continue?

I don't get that. He was sick on the Sunday after the trip to nando's. Her anger/temper would have worn off. Even the angriest of abusers eventually calm down enough to minimise what they've done and to cover it up

But no, she carried on

She last saw him alive when she put him to bed. He was found I the floor.... He had tried to go to who? Poor little boy

Was he really dead when she placed him In That suitcase? Did she care enough to check properly? Was she intelligent enough to know?

Hear hear strawberry.

I am also usually moderate and liberally minded.

But I truly hope this heartless woman suffers miserably.

I have a 3 year old son and all I can think about is how horrible his life and terrifying his death must have been...

It also makes me feel there cannot possibly be a God if he allows a small child to suffer so much with no relief... except to finally die

Feel compassion for her?, hell will freeze over before I feel like thinking about sympathy for that cold hearted cunt.

She viciously beat a child then left him to die alone.

She can rot for the rest of her days.

I've already said why I feel sorry for her. She could not cope as a single parent of 5 suffering from depression in a world where admitting not being able to cope is taboo.
And yes, my compassion extends to all human beings. I don't believe anyone is intrinsically evil.

She had 'mild to moderate' depression
She could cope with getting dressed up and going out leaving her dc alone

rubbish she was selfish cow that neglected all her kids but took the money they brought to lavish on her nights out

look at the pictures of her

the children were an inconvenience at best

Mild to moderate doesn't mean anything. People hide an enormous amount of stuff while trying to appear 'normal'. Maybe it was a form of escapism for her, dressing herself up? Parenting is tough!
I still say bringing more awareness of mothers that have difficulty bonding and can't cope would help mothers (and fathers) go and find help instead of not because of the stigma attached to doing so. It's so taboo.

It's no good being reactive and appalled, get up and do something to protect other children in the future by raising awareness...

Fuck that, I have severe, clinical depression. I've never, not once, neglected my children. They're the reason I get up every damn day.

She was fine to go out partying. She can rot.

It's no good being reactive and appalled, get up and do something to protect other children in the future by raising awareness...

Start by stop making excuses for her.

Do you all read the Daily Mail?

meaning what?

Lol popette I can see you'd like her to be mentally ill. It's a safer theory than just a plain bad, evil woman. A mother who killed. Much easier to make excuses isn't it.... And what a kick in the teeth to other depressed mums too! Depression doesn't drive you to beat a child whilst he is vomiting.... Over 3 days!!