Was DH unreasonable to ask the neighbour's kids

[differenttoyou]

to go inside at 9.40 this morning. There were 3 of them and they'd been outside on their trampoline (which buts right up to the fence) since 8.00 am singing at the top of their voices. Eventually we couldn't take it any longer as they started to sing a song from Frozen and they ramped up the volume until they were virtually screaming. DH called over the fence and asked them to go and sing inside.

Mayhem

I really think you need to step away from this thread and take a minute.

You have lost all rational and any valid point you were trying to make is now lost in the insults. Your lowest point being your post to Recharging. Unnecessary and very childish.

Do yourself a favour before you are deleted for behaviour unbecoming of MN (which is a deleteable offence).

Mayhem has been making her claim to be the neighbour transparently clear since 1.17 on Monday morning, right? That is what all the anger is in aid of ?

Everyone is working on that assumption or is it just me?

Or have I got that wrong?

So Mayem is the OPs neighbour who's children this thread is about?

I that right Fide?

That's how I was reading it.

If that's the case Fideline then Mayhem is mistaken. The OP specifies that 3 children were bouncing on the trampoline, 'singing' songs from Frozen. 2 were the neighbour's children, 1 was a visiting friend. Neighbour only has 2 children per OP.

Mayhem has 3 children, the eldest is 6yo and the youngest a baby (IIRC, haven't been able to scroll back up). The facts don't match up.

Surely not though - aren't all but 1 of her kids too little to be on a trampoline singing frozen songs?

Annoying the nutter de-railed the thread and turned it weird, as I think these incidents (in the OP), whilst in themselves trivial, are worth discussing if they are a symptom of a general attitide within society/ a section of society...I want to know why so many threads turn into competitive boasts about how posters kept their childten in sound proof boxes and only allowed quiet colouring in, because they were so considetate of the neighbors, and laments that others don't do the same. A discussion of what really makes a community, and whether in fact emphasising keeping children quiet is what community means (and how different other community orientated cultures are) could have been an interesting discussion. Not now though.

I think we are all working on loads of assumptions but seem to agree that at some point the poster whose name we won't mention, became some sort of angry, parenty-judgy, insulting, contradictory strange conglomeration of a poster. She could be a nun having a laugh after raiding the congregation for all we know.

It worked out fine for the OP, I believe (dear gawd I hope I didn't miss anything different between dodging the shrapnel!).

We could turn this back round to the beginning with suggestions of jaunty lycra-clad DPs jumping on trampolines singing Abba songs at 5am and maybe this could become a MN Classsic case of super turn-around.

And thank you to all the posters that stuck up for me - I might be a tough old bird - but a little bit of kindness goes a long way.

Oh well maybe I'm confused.

I thought that was what she was saying all along, everyone else realised and I was the last to cotton on.

Then I thought everyone hadn't cottoned on. Now I just don't know.

Mayhem do you think you are the neighbour?

Mayhem has given a number of perfect demonstrations of using the 'straw man' style of debate. Given her mastery of it, it is a shame that it is such a poor form of debate.

Oh god does that mean Mayhem is now having delusions and only thinks she is the neighbour but is in fact a nun having a laugh cos it gets boring doing church stuff all day

What bugs me is that posters like Mayhem will go off cackling and return after a name change, ready to cause and be offended again! Downright rude.

EvilGenius what is the 'straw man' style ? - serious question. I know I'm supposed to be working but I'm being really undisciplined and more than a little gripped by this thread...but not yet unhinged.

Good point by MrTumbles too.

Mayhem wtf is wrong with you?

Yes Dotty that's it - as good an explanation as any yet!

I'm going to have to read the thread aren't I.

Will I still be clueless at the end do you think?

But Mayhem (says she) has a 6 yr old DD and an older DSD? So they could have been on a trampoline, in her garden singing accompanied by a child visiting from abroad?

Or is that wrong?

Mayhem wtf is wrong with you?

Quite right. Mayhem is possibly unhinged?

Isn't the DSD 18... I guess she could have been trampolining and singing Frozen songs with a 6 year old - changes the scenario a bit, I imagined all KS1 ish age...

Iamrecharging - straw man style debating is where someone takes something reasonable that another person has said, exaggerates hugely to make their point into something they didn't say or mean, and then flames them for it.

Eg.

Poster: I don't think it is OK for children to be screaming songs at the top of their lungs for an hour-and-a-half - that's a bit much.

Straw man debater: So children should be silent AT ALL TIMES - you are a nasty child-hating harridan for thinking that!!

Poster: But I didn't say that

Poster: <span class="italic">My husband called over the fence and asked them to go indoors and sing there.</span>

SMD: <strong>Your husband yelled at the children and terrified them so much they were FORCED to go indoors - he is a cowardly cunt!</strong>

Nb - yes, I have used examples inspired by <strong>Mayhem's</strong> postings on this thread! but they are not nor are they intended to be intended to be direct quotes.

Everyone involved sounds very slightly unhinged TBF

Couldn't that be external RL knowledge and emotion rather than straw men STDG?

Will I get flamed if I start a thread in AIBU asking whether "I didn't even know you had children, you keep them so quiet!" is the ultimate praise a neighbor can heap upon a parent in 2014 English suburbia...

Which I know is off the Mayhem subject, because Mayhem is boring (not a phrase you I often utter).

I'm not sure I understand the question, Fideline - sorry.

I was trying to describe the straw man style of debating. If someone is using their R/L experience of the situation, that's not 'straw man' debating - 'straw man' involves huge exaggeration (not based on any knowledge or facts about the situation being discussed).

Straw man would be me quoting your post - "Couldn't that be external RL knowledge and emotion rather than straw men STDG?" - and then replying "So you are saying I am thick and stupid and don't know what I am talking about - you are a vile person". I am setting up a 'straw man' - the statement that you are calling me thick and stupid. It is a straw man, not a real one, because you haven't called me thick or stupid, but I am now going to go on the attack against this straw man - maybe by flaming you for calling me stupid.

Does that make sense - I am confusing myself now.