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To think whoever organised this should be prosecuted?

444 replies

curiousgeorgie · 04/07/2014 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679321/Mayor-demands-police-investigation-British-girl-filmed-performing-sex-act-24-men-two-minutes-win-3euro-bottle-Cava-Magaluf-bar.html

Apologies for the daily mail link and apologies if its already been done, I did have a quick look and couldn't see anything.

An old work friend posted the video of this on Facebook last night and it is horrendous... (And this absolutely doesn't excuse it) but she thought she was doing it for a holiday, but it turned out to be for a drink.

I feel so sorry for her parents (and for her actually)..

I think the rep who organised this 'game' should face prosecution...

OP posts:
SnowinBerlin · 04/07/2014 16:47

This isn't rape under the law as it stands.

Regarding claims its rape by deception - it isn't. The law on that is pretty narrow eg cases where someone is pretending to be the sexual partner of the victim, like a husband or boyfriend. Obtaining sex by deception as a general offence went out in 2003 but it still wouldn't have covered this situation.

The key case even prior to 2003 is R v Linekar (1995). A prostitute agreed to have sex for £20 and then claimed rape when the punter didn't cough up as she only agreed to sex for a particular payment. It was ruled that she consented to sex, but didn't consent to the non-payment.

It's exactly the same case here. She consented to giving 24 blow jobs, but didn't consent to not getting a holiday. It's breach of contract, not rape.

Also, legally, drunken consent is still consent. It's a very long established legal principle. It's rape when someone is so intoxicated that they haven't got the capacity to consent, but that's situations where someone is drunk to the point of unconsciousness or being unable to communicate. Being drunk to the point where you've lost your inhibitions and done something you normally wouldn't have is not rape.

Can you tell I've just finished my criminal law exams? Grin

Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 04/07/2014 16:48

She was consenting to it regardless if it was a holiday or a bloody drink. She was actively pulling at people's pants.

It wasn't rape and I agree it's bloody insulting to actual rape victims.

Bunbaker · 04/07/2014 16:51

"People in this situation who disgust me:

  1. The rep
  2. The men involved
  3. The bystanders
  4. Everyone using misogynistic terms to further humiliate this teenager
  5. The Daily Mail for exploiting her even further"

And the people that filmed it and uploaded it onto Facebook. And the scumbag tabloids that printed pictures of it on the front page.

The whole incident is sickening. While the girl should have known better, she was clearly exploited, by someone who was greedy and manipulative. The men who took part should be named and shamed as well as whoever organised it.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/07/2014 16:53

Poor girl- 24/25 people involved, and she is the only one to be on the front of a newspaper, hounded by press and social media- how on earth can that be? It's astounding...

MyChemicalGerard · 04/07/2014 16:54

There are little children trafficked and exploited against their wishes everyday and we never hear about them, who are beaten and raped and abused. This girl got drunk and did something stupid she was not exploited, she did it freely off her own bat.

LastTango · 04/07/2014 16:55

You are surprised this goes on abroad? Watch Sun Sex and Suspicious parents and you will see what UK teenagers/early 20s actually get up to on their holidays. Turn your hair green I tellya!

Why was she exploited? She was 18 and doing what she wanted.

Mintyy · 04/07/2014 16:56

I'm afraid I don't agree that the men involved should be named and shamed. The woman should not have been, doesn't mean that the men should be too to make it "more equal". Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that.

The bar, the holiday company and whoever it was who set the challenge most certainly SHOULD be named and shamed.

I expect all involved will be outed sooner rather than later.

MyChemicalGerard · 04/07/2014 16:56

Also so called feminists are ranting about misogyny on here, if you really want equality why stand up for this girl when she is every bit as guilty as any one who is involved. why are the men only considered guilty when they were just as drunk as she was.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/07/2014 16:57

Where are the men in your version? All 24 of them. Why are they not being hounded and shamed and told they were stupid? Why aren't their faces in the newspaper?

SnowinBerlin · 04/07/2014 16:59

A few people have said it's an offence under S76. I hope I can clarify why it isn't.

Ignoring the fact Magaluf is not within our jurisdiction, people seem to be hanging on to the bit in 76 (2) (a)

"the defendant intentionally deceived the complainant as to the nature or purpose of the relevant act"

The girl wasn't deceived as to the nature and purpose of the act - which was a blow job. She clearly knew it was a blow job. That section covers cases where sexually naive victims (eg children, the disabled) are told that a penis is a magic wand or something similar. It doesn't relate to not getting what you were promised for carrying out a sex act you knew to be a sex act.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/07/2014 17:00

Who is surprised this goes on?

Who is a 'so called' feminist?

I'm astounded that two national newspapers are shaming this girl and that the men get off Scott free. It's incredible...

midgeymum2 · 04/07/2014 17:03

Does it make a difference if she doesn't regret it and is actually OK with it? Can we comprehend that a woman can act like that and not feel the way we think she 'should' feel?

HilariousInHindsight · 04/07/2014 17:03

I agree she took part and was drunk.
But one conscience against 24?
What about the 24 men taking responsibility and saying no and stopping the others?
What about the rest of the crowd?

I disagree it's a certain type of person.
I got hurt by a few blokes and once or twice did some things I'm not proud of.

Am I a slag?
No.
I was emotionally vulnerable and at the time wanted to be wanted.
It doesn't excuse any behaviour where someone was so drunk they were staggering.

Isn't there a law you can't film someone without their consent?
Perhaps that angle should be taken.

sixlittleblighters · 04/07/2014 17:05

God it's so depresiing- makes you proud to be British woman.NOT. I bet they don't get many Spanish girls behaving like this.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 04/07/2014 17:07

I'm as proud to be a British woman as ever. (?!)
One woman behaved poorly. Twenty five men did.
And women still get the blame?
Fucking hell.

glasgowstevenagain · 04/07/2014 17:10

Isn't there a law you can't film someone without their consent?
Perhaps that angle should be taken.

The men were filmed without their consent also I would imagine, in fact they were filmed partially nude, she was not, she was filmed willingly carrying out a sex act

glasgowstevenagain · 04/07/2014 17:11

One woman behaved poorly. Twenty five men did.

In fairness the men just stood there, passive, RTFT and other posters who have seen the video will say she was prowling the room, undressing men

flightdove · 04/07/2014 17:13

Just watched the clip. I think the girl is a nursery nurse where ds goes. Blimey. Don't know what to think.

tethersend · 04/07/2014 17:14

"Does it make a difference if she doesn't regret it and is actually OK with it? Can we comprehend that a woman can act like that and not feel the way we think she 'should' feel?"

I think that's an interesting point. There's still a lot of needless shame attached to women performing sexual acts.

Having said that, her being ok with and not regretting it does not therefore mean she was not exploited. Exploitation can happen even with consent.

I hope she is ok with it. But even if she is, it does not absolve the rep, the men who partook, the bystanders, those who filmed it and the media who are trying to shame her of responsibility.

StealthPolarBear · 04/07/2014 17:15

Really flight??

DottyDooRidesAgain · 04/07/2014 17:19

If that's true have you mentioned your DS's nursery on here because somebody could us the info to either trace the girl or it could be the wrong girl so somebody could be unfairly accused.

Gen35 · 04/07/2014 17:22

it's a helpful learning point for our daughters, like the girl in the US that sent a ppt to her friends rating her shags, about how unfortunately these days committing silliness can come back to haunt you die to technology. The people that filmed it are scum. Yes all parties involved should have better boundaries but we've all done dumb stuff on holiday that used to stay there.

flightdove · 04/07/2014 17:24

Dotty no I have never mentioned the nursery.

sixlittleblighters · 04/07/2014 17:25

If a man had gone round the room undressing 24 men and performing oral sex on each one, would we be calling him a victim? would we be saying bthe women were equally to blame ? I think not.

midgeymum2 · 04/07/2014 17:26

My feeling is that it's for the woman and men involved to decide whether they feel a crime has been committed against them and whether rep/holiday company/ filming bystanders should have a case brought against them.

But it is not reported like that, of course - the angle is so twisted! It is wrong to assume that because they were drunk and behaving in a way viewed by many as socially or morally unacceptable that it is the woman who deserves to be punished, presumably by being named and shamed, the modern day equivalent of being drowned as a witch. Doesn't matter a jot what she's got to say about it...