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To think whoever organised this should be prosecuted?

444 replies

curiousgeorgie · 04/07/2014 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679321/Mayor-demands-police-investigation-British-girl-filmed-performing-sex-act-24-men-two-minutes-win-3euro-bottle-Cava-Magaluf-bar.html

Apologies for the daily mail link and apologies if its already been done, I did have a quick look and couldn't see anything.

An old work friend posted the video of this on Facebook last night and it is horrendous... (And this absolutely doesn't excuse it) but she thought she was doing it for a holiday, but it turned out to be for a drink.

I feel so sorry for her parents (and for her actually)..

I think the rep who organised this 'game' should face prosecution...

OP posts:
Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 14:24

Well that's perfectly reasonable for you to have those beliefs and I agree in general with them. But what other people do behind closed doors is none of my concern and I really couldn't care less.

You may raise your children with those ideals but they may well decide to have multiple partners, or do threesomes. And frankly, it would be no ones business but theirs.

I just disagree with it being done in a bar!!

CatKisser · 06/07/2014 14:27

Exactly. Once you start policing what consenting adults do behind closed doors, where do you stop?

MrsBoldon · 06/07/2014 14:49

I don't think sex has to be about love or relationships. If you meet someone (or several people) and want to have sex within minutes - fine, It's up to the individuals.

This is different in my view because it wasn't actually about sex, it wasn't about a connection between people or about pleasure. It was many people involved in sucking (or being sucked) flaccid penises in front of a bar full of people in order to win something. It wasn't a load of people wanting to have sex with each other for pleasure or whatever reasons group sex might involve. It was a seedy stunt. I'm not judging any of the people involved but I don't think this was really about sex in any shape or form.

Darkesteyes · 06/07/2014 16:51

I think the bar did this because they KNEW it would get filmed ,uploaded and get them publicity and more footfall as a result.

Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 17:13

Has the bar been identified yet? I was looking earlier but couldn't find the name.

UncleT · 06/07/2014 19:02

halfwilding I could understand that perhaps of we weren't talking about all parties being drunk and it being her doing something to the men, rather than the other way round. Further, it's already been pointed out that several of the men looked obviously uncomfortable - it's extremely questionable whether it can be said that they took advantage of her. The idiot promoters on the other hand, yes - they sure took advantage of her. As already stated, you'll have a very hard time convincing a court she was too drunk to 'consent' when she was running about actually laying hands on people and insisting that they allow her to do it to them.

MostWicked · 06/07/2014 19:06

I'm not holding this girl up as some heroine of the modern age, nor am I vilifying her as the world's biggest slut. What she chooses to do sexually is her concern.
^^exactly this

I doubt you all would be quite so 'right on', liberated and accepting about it if it were your daughter.
I would have no choice in the matter because she is a grown up. Of course I would worry about her more, but it would not be my place to tell her off or judge her. If she regretted it, then I would be there in the same way as I would for any mistake she made.

I do think it's shameful that the holiday rep exploited this young woman when she was drunk.
She really wasn't THAT drunk. She wasn't staggering around not knowing what she was doing.

oohdaddypig If everyone is consenting and no-one gets hurt, of course it ok to have sex in whatever way you want to. You can raise your children however you want to, but ultimately, it is their choice how they behave sexually.

DoJo · 06/07/2014 20:00

Why we can't teach teenagers what sex is really about? I would really like us to talk about love and respect and that it's OK to not have sex. That very often those sleeping around are desperately insecure. It's not liberalisation - these women have incredibly low self esteem and zero self respect.

But who gets to decide what sex is 'really about'. For you it might be a matter of love and respect, but for others it is about fun and entertainment. This may involve exhibitionism, group sex or multiple partners, all of which are fine if it is something that you choose to do. Assuming that someone has low self esteem or self respect just because they don't take sexual activity as seriously as others is unfairly judgemental IMO. Our teenage years are when we are supposed to experiment with our identities and find out what kinds of behaviour we enjoy, so (although I haven't seen the video and don't know this woman) there is no certainty that she is suffering from any insecurity which drove her to behave this way.

The world is full of people who get their kicks in almost any way you can possibly imagine - I would argue that engaging openly in unusual sexual behaviour could point to high self esteem if you have decided that you will buck convention and do whatever you enjoy regardless of whether 'society' believes it to be an appropriate way to conduct yourself.

oohdaddypig · 06/07/2014 20:00

most why is it ok? How can it be ok to say to teenagers that group sex, gang bangs etc are acceptable? Why can't we say that this behaviour is damaging? I have never ever met a promiscuous female who doesn't have serious self esteem issues/substance abuse problems. Maybe that's juat the circles I grew up in, but I doubt it.

Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 20:06

Because someone's personal choices are just that. Personal. Doesn't necessarily follow they will have self esteem issues or abuse substances!!

DoJo · 06/07/2014 20:09

I have never ever met a promiscuous female who doesn't have serious self esteem issues/substance abuse problems. Maybe that's juat the circles I grew up in, but I doubt it.

What about promiscuous males? Or are they all fine?
FWIW I have met plenty of sexually promiscuous (for want of a better word, although I dislike the negative connotations it has) who are very happy, including those who engage in such promiscuity with long term partners, or with the consent of a partner. Sex isn't just for people who conform to our expectations.

oohdaddypig · 06/07/2014 20:23

Why can't we bring kids up to understand their bodies are special. That they should be respected and saved for someone who cares for you. That sex isn't risk free. That it is ok to say no. That giving blow jobs to multiple men in public is degrading, not fun.

That women and men aren't equal in this respect. Females take the risk of unwanted pregnancy. Females are more likely to contract an STD. Females are more vulnerable to rape and abuse.

I don't see this pseudo-liberal attitude to sex as feminism or progression for women. I see it as a depressing retrograde excuse for misogyny and abuse.

DoJo · 06/07/2014 20:26

Why can't we bring kids up to understand their bodies are special. That they should be respected and saved for someone who cares for you. That sex isn't risk free. That it is ok to say no. That giving blow jobs to multiple men in public is degrading, not fun.

Because there are no absolutes, and our kids are entitled to decide what they find fun without having to reference our moral standards. Because they are their own bodies, not ours to decide what they should do with them, and because women can enjoy sex that you wouldn't choose to have without it being abuse.

Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 20:29

I think you are looking at this incident too deeply. For all we know she was brought up with all those values but after a few fishbowls they went out the window.

By your reasoning then people would probably only ever have one or two partners, which is fine if thats what you want. But some people like a varied any creative sex life and that's fine too!

I'm not sure this is the thread for you!

oohdaddypig · 06/07/2014 20:34

I think this is a fascinating thread - it's about British teenagers abroad and group sex and why our teenagers behave this way and others don't.

And it's been hugely informative in that it seems like lots of women on his forum think as long as everyone consents, anything goes sexually.

This doesn't shock me but it does sadden me. Ultimately, I think this attitude is as damaging for women in the sane way that strip clubs are. You can harp on and in about free will and consent, but ultimately the women who is happy to give 24 men a blow job, or receive a spit roast, to me cannot be a very content individual with much respect for her body or health.

SignYourName · 06/07/2014 20:35

How can it be ok to say to teenagers that group sex, gang bangs etc are acceptable?

Because they are, if all the participants are of legal age, fully consenting, and know what they are getting into and where their limits are.

Why can't we say that this behaviour is damaging?

"Can be" damaging, when the conditions above are not fully met. It's not inevitable that it will be.

I have never ever met a promiscuous female who doesn't have serious self esteem issues/substance abuse problems.

Are you in the habit of quizzing every female of your acquaintance about her sexual behaviour and number of partners? Because if not, how do you know you haven't met some perfectly happy, self-confident and well-adjusted "promiscuous" females?

The best message we can give a young person is that their sexual choices once they reach the age of consent are up to them and them alone, that there is nothing wrong in having whatever kind of sex they want, however frequently or infrequently they want it, so long as they and their partner(s) are fully consenting, they are sensible about protecting their and their partner's sexual health and they feel confident in saying "stop" if they reach a limit they aren't comfortable with. That if they want to wait for an emotional connection, that's fine. That if they want to experiment, that's fine. That if they want to have sex for fun, that's fine. That if they don't feel comfortable, they can say "no" or "stop" and that's fine. That they shouldn't feel obliged or pressured into doing anything they don't want to do, and that includes denying their own autonomy as a sexual human being for the sake of social conventions just as much as it does not performing some sex act their partner saw in a porn movie or doing X or Y because "everyone else is doing it".

SolidGoldBrass · 06/07/2014 20:39

Daddypig.I.have.had.loads.of.sex.including.group.sex.I.do.not.have.MH.
issues.or.drug.problems.(I.do.have.a.broken.keyboard.so.excuse.the.full,stops)
Men.whining,about.sexually.autonymous.women.having.'no.self'repect'are.whining.because.they.think.women's.sexuality.should.be.under.the.control.of.men.

Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 20:39

Not many of us actually think the behaviour of these people was acceptable, I certainly don't and have said that on the thread but I defend the right of any adult to make whatever choice they want when it comes to legal sexual behaviour.

Simplesusan · 06/07/2014 20:46

This is a strange thread.

I don't find the story newsworthy, that's no to say this is something I have done, but seriously I don't want to read about this.

I also question the view that it is only something BRitish people do .

What about the men who did this. Do they have no self esteem either?

unlucky83 · 06/07/2014 20:57

I've read the whole thread - and it was Mrsboldon in her last post that said what I was thinking...
This was actually nothing to do with sex or pleasure...
Doesn't seem like the girl got any pleasure out of it - or the blokes..not having seen the video but knowing it is only a few minutes long and 24 blokes and trousers had to be undone etc - it must have been about 5sec each penis. Who got any pleasure from that?
It was just a game - she might have thought it was a bit of fun - apparently her parents are born again Christians - maybe rebellion - but maybe this will follow her around for the rest of her life...she will have a 'reputation' - and whether we like it or not - think it is right - that is likely to have a negative effect on her...
And it was designed to humiliate her...purely because whether it is right or wrong - in this society 'suck my dick' is still an insult...(and also read another story about this company - the language used by 2 employees was hardly liberated)
The risk of transmission of disease is huge - both for her and the blokes ....
It was not an expression of liberation - it was nasty, sordid entertainment...
And the saddest thing is that these teens obviously think this is fun - and the more extreme the better ...what next?
Maybe history books will look back at things like this as we look back on the gladiators in Rome - or cock fighting...or public executions .... with a feeling of revulsion and disbelief.

ashtrayheart · 06/07/2014 20:58

What generalisations shall we apply to sexually promiscuous men then Hmm
Do they all have low self esteem Shock

DoJo · 06/07/2014 21:08

And it's been hugely informative in that it seems like lots of women on his forum think as long as everyone consents, anything goes sexually.

This doesn't shock me but it does sadden me.

I'm afraid your attitude doesn't shock me, but saddens me. The fact that you apparently seek exclusively to limit women's sexuality and inhibit their enjoyment of their own bodies is a large part of the problem under discussion. That you believe that you should be the arbiter of someone else's sex life having never met them, based on how you think sex should be conducted regardless of whether it makes them happy is an attitude which I find depressing and backwards.

revealall · 06/07/2014 21:15

Why the assumption this reputation will be negative? It's not an unknown activity amongst her peer group. Most will just see it as what it was - a drunken activity, done at the spur of the moment, for no other reason than she could.
It's not about sex, it's about being outrageous. As hers wasn't actually about hurting anyone ( unlike some of activities tried out by young men) I fail to see it's an issue.

unlucky83 · 06/07/2014 21:51

Why the assumption this reputation will be negative? It's not an unknown activity amongst her peer group. Most will just see it as what it was - a drunken activity, done at the spur of the moment, for no other reason than she could.
I know times have changed since I was a teenager but ...
I know of occasions when people were encouraged by their peer group to do stupid things (not in this league though) and then been criticised and gossiped about afterwards...or eg called a slag - for whatever reason ...
Also this was really nothing to be proud of ....
If nothing else morally etc - yuk...24 strange penises...don't know where they have been, when they were last washed - (and I would feel maybe worse if it was a bloke and 24 strange fannies - just no...)
The idea of snogging I could just about handle - a bit ew ...but I'd feel almost the same about licking 24 stranger's noses or sucking their fingers...
(and I'm not particularly fussy about germs etc)

revealall · 06/07/2014 22:08

Unlucky - yes but that's you isn't it. Maybe it's unhygienic to suck 24 penises but since drinking wee and pints of vomit is still common is student bars and rugby clubs it's not the worse.

Being outrageous is part of what young people do. It wasn't about sex. And for what it's worth times haven't changes at all since I was so teenager...