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To think whoever organised this should be prosecuted?

444 replies

curiousgeorgie · 04/07/2014 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679321/Mayor-demands-police-investigation-British-girl-filmed-performing-sex-act-24-men-two-minutes-win-3euro-bottle-Cava-Magaluf-bar.html

Apologies for the daily mail link and apologies if its already been done, I did have a quick look and couldn't see anything.

An old work friend posted the video of this on Facebook last night and it is horrendous... (And this absolutely doesn't excuse it) but she thought she was doing it for a holiday, but it turned out to be for a drink.

I feel so sorry for her parents (and for her actually)..

I think the rep who organised this 'game' should face prosecution...

OP posts:
SignYourName · 05/07/2014 23:52

I didn't mean any bar in Magaluf. I meant the bars frequented by Carnage Magaluf specifically, which has a reputation for increasingly promoting their extreme pub crawls with promises of sex acts and and sex-related "party games".

kali110 · 06/07/2014 00:04

I feel bad for the girl that its over the internet as its going to be hard to get away from it.
I don't believe that anyone took advantage of her though. She was going at blokes undoing their belts.
Think she needs to take responsibility.
Think what she and the blokes did was disgusting.
What you want to do behind closed doors with multiple partners is fine, but you don't do this in public.

FellReturneth · 06/07/2014 06:46

I think slut is used rarely these days anyway, it has been replaced by slag and I have heard very promiscuous men referred to as slags many times.

Good God Nicky* why on earth would a married man, (presumably over the age off about 22?) want to go to Magaluf? And why on earth are you letting him?

I am not in the habit of laying down the law to my DH about where he ca and cannot go, but I would really have to question my his modus operandi on that one. Shock

SignYourName · 06/07/2014 08:25

I think slut is used rarely these days anyway, it has been replaced by slag

You only have to read through this thread to see "slut" used more than once in a derogatory way.

FellReturneth · 06/07/2014 08:27

well it is a derogatory word, of course it will be used in a derogatory way. How else are you supposed to use it? Confused

Are we not allowed to have any derogatory words now?

Roussette · 06/07/2014 10:01

I wouldn't call her a slut. I would call her a poor misguided girl. Agree very much with Toad's posts of 22.28 and 22.35.

I really can't get my head round those on here saying it's her body, it's up to her what she does, we shouldn't demonise her, she's grown up blah blah. Yes, she is a grown up (just) but I doubt you all would be quite so 'right on', liberated and accepting about it if it were your daughter.

It's no good saying it's none of my business. Too late. We live in a world of social media and we can't get away from what is shoved in our faces when online. As much as we might want to ignore, we can't. I don't give a flying fuck about what anyone does at the local dogging site for instance - good on them, that's fine, consenting adults etc. But this girl was encouraged by the bar to do this. She was young (18 or early twenties). She was pissed. And there is no doubt she must have self esteem issues whether she recognises that fact or not.

Let's not make this a feminist issue either. The men were just as bad as her. And how can we ignore the numbers of men involved? Impossible because there is a shock factor here.

Nicknacky · 06/07/2014 10:07

Why am I letting him?? Because he is a grown adult and can go where he wants!! And what, possibly could his "modus operandi" be?

halfwildlingwoman · 06/07/2014 10:24

None of these men said "Hang on, I don't want a public blowjob, and I think you're a bit too drunk to know what you are doing."? None of them.
I swear to god, if my daughter had done this I would be upset that she had put her health at risk and a bit disappointed that this kind of holiday was her idea of fun, but not furious. If my son had been one of the men in the bar that accepted a blowjob from a young drunk girl after she had done the same to several others I would be absolutely beside myself that I had raised such a weak and easily led idiot.
My sister went on a similar package holiday to Kavos when she was young and had to intervene when a couple of reps were encouraging men to perform sex acts on a girl far too drunk to consent. She and her friend had to get really bolshy with them to prevent rape. These holidays need looking at.

waterducksback · 06/07/2014 10:36

I bet it's what goes does on these clubs is mainly the reason magaluf is so popular with stag parties!
I doubt they go just for the sea and sand. If that were the case, somewhere else who be chosen.

What goes on in magaluf stays in magaluf....... (well until camera phones that is)

waterducksback · 06/07/2014 10:37

Would be

Mintyy · 06/07/2014 11:08

"None of these men said "Hang on, I don't want a public blowjob, and I think you're a bit too drunk to know what you are doing."? None of them.

I understand from those who have seen the video that many of them did, actually. Can we try not to demonise the young men in a hysterical manner? Many of them will have been the same age as her and drunk as a skunk, they will have had poor judgement and some of them will be feeling embarrased and regretful now.

Its all very shoddy and sleazy, but as I understand it she was actively trying to persuade the men to get involved. Yes, they should have all refused in the same way as yes, she shouldn't have been persuaded it was a good idea to do it.

The real scumbags in this are the organisers, the people who filmed it and the people who uploaded it. As many of us said pages and pages ago.

fifi669 · 06/07/2014 11:46

sign the definition of slut is: Slut or slattern is a term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous. If she wasn't being sexually promiscuous I don't know what is!

It is the same for a man, I call men sluts too. ex being one maybe it's use is different in your part of the country.

A poster up thread was talking of her sexual liberation and the prudes that condemn it. I was merely stating in that case I am a prude and not at all bothered to be one.

ScarlettlovesRhett · 06/07/2014 11:53

Agree with Mintyy.

The girl sexually assaulted all those men who had to physically bat her away and remove her hands from their crotch area and trousers.

The girl and the men who agreed blow jobs were not assaulted/raped etc, they were willingly involved.

The shame is on the organisers, the bar owners, those people who filmed it and especially those who uploaded the film.

The people who uploaded the film are the ones who should feel shame imo - disgusting behaviour from them.

UncleT · 06/07/2014 11:59

halfwilding why the extreme double-standards there?

mintyy has it spot on. Further, the only way to deal with and prevent this kind of rubbish is for the local police to properly police the place and deal with people as appropriate for lewd, excessively drunken, violent or otherwise antisocial behaviour.

This thread is disturbing on so many levels. Some of the assertions around UK law earlier in the thread are appallingly inaccurate. No court is going to convict a man of rape when a video clearly documents a drunken yet fully conscious, mobile and actively encouraging woman grab a probably similarly drunken man and perform an act of oral sex on him. The assertion that consent can't be given after consuming alcohol is absurd - it quite clearly depends on the level of intoxication/consciousness amongst a host of other factors. God, most new sexual encounters between young people probably happen after alcohol! The links provided to the relevant legal guidance on the subject of rape and intoxication actually very clearly indicated that such blanket assertions as those made by Laurie were completely wrong. She wasn't passed out somewhere with someone attacking her - she was running around giving people blow jobs. It's appalling in the extreme for all involved, but rape FFS??

I can only hope that these resorts wake up, start to police properly and clamp down on this sort of behaviour.

OwlCapone · 06/07/2014 12:03

the men were in no fit state either, and some were trying to bat her away - so you could say that they were also subjected to a sexual assault - By Her

This.

I wonder how the threads would have gone on MN had it been a drunken male performing oral sex on reluctant females.

shakethetree · 06/07/2014 12:12

I think we know that OwlCapone, the man would be an evil sex offender & the women would all be poor innocent victims. That's why I haven't taken any notice of the people saying she's a victim, because they're talking shite & they probably know it.

Pumpkinpositive · 06/07/2014 12:17

If the men were as drunk as she - allegedly - was, then I can't see how she was any more of a "victim" than they were.

The reps and bar owner are too disgusting for words.

She has definitely become a victim since though, with her name all over Twitter and the press baying to do a kiss and tell with anyone who may have vaguely know her. No scrutiny of the blokes involved, of course. Hmm

OwlCapone · 06/07/2014 12:20

No scrutiny of the blokes involved, of course.

You mean the blokes she sexually assaulted?

hackmum · 06/07/2014 12:20

I haven't watched the video.

I do think it's shameful that the holiday rep exploited this young woman when she was drunk. People are more vulnerable when drunk, and it sounds as if she was taken advantage of.

I also think it's deeply unethical of newspapers to publish the video. In what sense is this in the public interest? This is an unknown young woman, after all, not a senior public figure. Is nobody going to think about the possible emotional and psychological consequences for her of being humiliated in this way? I keep thinking of that poor nurse who committed suicide after a fairly harmless prank was played on her by those DJs. She had attempted suicide before and was vulnerable. Don't newspapers have a duty to think about the victims of their intrusiveness before publishing something like this?

halfwildlingwoman · 06/07/2014 12:20

I apologise Mintyy, I actually agree with you that the organisers should be prosecuted. I haven't seen the video, nor do I intend to, for the reasons you state in your last paragraph. There should have been a question mark on the end of my 'None of them'. I wanted to know how the men felt about it and was trying to say that there are decent lads who wouldn't want this. My mistake, I wasn't clear. I think these drinking games and competitions are degrading to everyone.

UncleT, The double standard that exists in my head, in my judgement is there because I think that it is far worse to take advantage of someone who is too drunk to consent than it is to have public sex with lots of people. Gender irrelevant.

Pumpkinpositive · 06/07/2014 12:30

You mean the blokes she sexually assaulted?

Which ones were they then?

AgaPanthers · 06/07/2014 13:08

Well there's the one at about 2 minutes in the video who has his trousers forcibly removed by a third party in front of her, so that she can suck his cock. It doesn't look like he consented.

They don't exactly appear to be lining up, her behaviour is reckless at best towards consent.

ScarlettlovesRhett · 06/07/2014 13:39

pumpkinpositive, she sexually assaulted the men who had to bat her hands away from their crutches, who had to physically stop her from undoing their zips etc.

If a drunken man tried to pull at my top to get at my boobs, or was trying to undo my trousers, then I would call that sexual assault.

oohdaddypig · 06/07/2014 14:15

I'm amazed at the number of posters who think it is ok to have multiple sexual partners on the go, group sex etc as long as it is "behind closed doors"

I was brought up that sex is a wonderful thing between two consenting adults who love each other.

I'm clearly a dinosaur but this is the way I plan to raise my daughters.

Sex is about so much - respect, love, trust. It carries a risk of unwanted pregnancy and STDs. Why are we raising kids this way? "Yes, be spit roasted dear, as long as you consent".

CatKisser · 06/07/2014 14:22

Well that's nice daddypig but not everyone wants love and relationships. I don't. Should I not be having sex?

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