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To think whoever organised this should be prosecuted?

444 replies

curiousgeorgie · 04/07/2014 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679321/Mayor-demands-police-investigation-British-girl-filmed-performing-sex-act-24-men-two-minutes-win-3euro-bottle-Cava-Magaluf-bar.html

Apologies for the daily mail link and apologies if its already been done, I did have a quick look and couldn't see anything.

An old work friend posted the video of this on Facebook last night and it is horrendous... (And this absolutely doesn't excuse it) but she thought she was doing it for a holiday, but it turned out to be for a drink.

I feel so sorry for her parents (and for her actually)..

I think the rep who organised this 'game' should face prosecution...

OP posts:
waterducksback · 05/07/2014 14:09

Are WE as parents, bringing them up wrong?

Not teaching them to respect themselves and other people.

oohdaddypig · 05/07/2014 14:19

water I agree it seems a peculiarly British thing, especially in Europe. When I see groups of teenagers either when I am abroad, or who are visiting, they seem far more mature and pleasant than very many of the Brits (of course, not all). I think in Britain, there is something going wrong. The drinking culture, for a start...

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 14:29

Somethings going wrong somewhere. It probably does have something to to do with the drinking culture in this country.

Drinking culture + bad parenting + growing up in an oversexualised environment, leads to some behaving like animals on holiday.

SolidGoldBrass · 05/07/2014 14:38

Just because YOU wouldn't fancy it doesn't mean that no one else could possibly find it fun to do. There is nothing wrong with having group sex in public, if everyone's up for it. The people who are desperate to shame and condemn this girl - you are the ones who are sexually dysfunctional. You are projecting your own fear and bigotry and ignorance onto her, because humiliatiing her makes you feel like a better person - you have less sex than her therefore you are her superior. Pathetic.

oohdaddypig · 05/07/2014 14:50

solid seriously? Just seriously? Your post is genuine. Wey hey for group sex that is published for millions on the Internet.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 05/07/2014 14:51

I don't think its fair to have sex in front of the general public, group or otherwise. Not everyone wants to watch shaggers.

Other than that though, I agree with SGB. It says something about our newspapers that they decided that this is news.

Roussette · 05/07/2014 14:58

Solid... can't quite agree there - she is someone's daughter and you can't tell me her parents won't be moritified at her actions, even if they are sexually very liberal.

There is no fear or bigotry from me - just sadness because you can't tell me she is just a sexually liberated young girl just having loads of fun in the way teens do and that she will be proud of what she's done. She is more likely to have self esteem issues, wanting to impress, pissed, and in years to come will look back on it in horror. It's nothing to do with having less sex - I've done some pretty OTT things in my time - stuff that was really a bit much but nothing I am mortified or ashamed about or an act that had far reaching effects - I was just a person who pushed the boundaries a bit too much but this is one step too far AFAIC. I'm not humiliating her, I just feel sorry for her and imagining how I would feel if it was one of my DD's, and wondering what sort of impact this may have on her life longterm.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 05/07/2014 15:02

If it hadn't been for the media attention, surely it would have no more impact on her long term than for the 25 men? ie. nothing.

HermioneWeasley · 05/07/2014 15:06

SGB, I disagree that there is nothing wrong with group sex in public between consenting adults. What if other people around don't consent to see it?

I have no problem with her having 24 sexual partners in a night in private, if that's what everyone wants, but there is something about the public element of this - that she was deliberately misled into performing a very seedy show for the entertainment of others, and that nobody stopped her and that 24 blokes participated, that makes me very uncomfortable.

TheFairyCaravan · 05/07/2014 15:06

solid your post is daft IMO. If you want to have group sex, don't do it pissed as a fart, in a nightclub where there are lots of onlookers with phones who can record it and put it on the internet, especially when your identity is there for all to see!

It does not matter how liberal that girl is, or her parents, her identity is all over the internet now, forever. It is going to affect her, forever. She could lose her job over this, apparently she has a customer facing role. This has massive consequences for her.

Roussette · 05/07/2014 15:06

Well.... there's no getting away from the media attention is there - it's the age we live in so that's hypothetical - it's out there and can't be taken back and she has to live with that.

mercifulgibbon · 05/07/2014 15:08

I hope she manages to turn it into something positive or hope that she doesn't give a shit about it really and manages to laugh it off.

thecageisfull · 05/07/2014 15:13

There is something wrong with having group sex in public. The public shouldn't have to see people shagging all over the place. It's not like shagging in a toilet cubicle or at an orgy in a private house. Being in a bar meant that there would be only over 18s there but it's still a bit off.

SolidGoldBrass · 05/07/2014 15:13

She's not her parents' property! How she conducts her sex life is up to her, not them.

OK, I agree that 'in public' is not always OK if there are people there who don't want to witness other people having sex; fair enough.

But if it wasn't for the fact that too many people still project their own hangups about sex into shaming and condeming the consensual behaviour of others, this wouldn't be anyone else's business at all.

It's still the case that one of the biggest threats to the patriarchy is women engaging in sex on their own terms, for their own amusement, and not caring what men might think. To uphold the status quo of women regarding The Penis with a variable mixture of terror and awe, women who engage in recreational sex have to be either helpless victims or wicked sluts; they are not allowed to be human beings.

SignYourName · 05/07/2014 15:15

But WHY should she lose her job over it? Why do her sexual preferences make her any less good at her job? Are the 24 men going to lose their jobs too?

Greenkit · 05/07/2014 15:15

I think it can be classed as rape, there is no way she is in a fit state to consent

Roussette · 05/07/2014 15:17

Think that's a bit strong Solid - there is a middle ground. I don't care too much for conformity or rules but I'm sure her parents will care and worry for her welfare and self esteem because they love her - nothing to do with her being their property. Yes, it's up to her, she's 18, but you never stop worrying about things your DCs do, do you

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 15:39

Methinksthoudoesprotesttoomuch SolidGoldBrass,
Sounds as if you have doen some sad attention seeking liberating things in your past, and want to justify it to yourself.

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 15:43

Solid, in one of my earlier posts I ask why it's 'mainly' British people that do these attention seeking Sexually Liberating things on holiday.

Would you say that British teenagers are more 'liberated' than other nationalities?

TheFairyCaravan · 05/07/2014 15:45

I don't think she should lose her job over it, but I am not her employers. If the men had their identity plastered all over the internet they could be on a sticky wicket too, IMO.

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 15:46

Greenkit, the men were in no fit state either, and some were trying to bat her away - so you could say that they were also subjected to a sexual assault - By Her.

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 15:48

Hopefully she has quite a strong character and will realise that today's headlines is tomorrow's chip paper.

Whatever our views, it would be terrible to be haunted for ever by ONE mistake.

Darkesteyes · 05/07/2014 16:22

THe slut shaming and judging being directed at this young woman is the thing that I find upsetting about this.

Sex in public isn't something I would do but simply because its not my bag.

waterducksback Google Annabel Chong. I seem to remember similar debates about that incident too.

Roussette · 05/07/2014 16:32

Yes and Annabel Chong had been gang raped as a student, she suffered many issues including self harming when she was younger and then she made that film - she was hardly strong and had good self esteem when she did.

I have no idea of this woman's mental state but if it's not so good, somewhere along the line she's been taken advantage of whilst under the influence of drink. Apparently the club were deliberately getting her pissed so she'd do it so I read - no idea if it's true

MostWicked · 05/07/2014 17:11

Teenagers from other countries don't seem to behave in such a depraved way.
Are you kidding? To start with, this girl wasn't a teenager, she's in her 20s. Lots of drunken parties with lots of sex, go on all over the world. US college parties can get very sordid.
I would agree that there is more of a drinking problem in this country, but "growing up in an oversexualised environment"? that's the same in MANY countries in the world.

I don't think its fair to have sex in front of the general public, group or otherwise
Then don't go on holiday to Magaluf and hang out in the club where this type of behaviour happens. It's a very self-selecting portion of the general public. It's unlikely you would be in there having a quiet drink with your husband/wife! I would agree that sex in a public place, is not generally appropriate but this could easily be avoided if someone just happened to be passing on their evening stroll.

she is someone's daughter and you can't tell me her parents won't be moritified at her actions
She is a grown adult. Her parent's opinion is irrelevant.

she was deliberately misled
That would suggest that if she hadn't been misled and been given a holiday for her performance, you would feel any different about it. I don't think you would.

I think it can be classed as rape, there is no way she is in a fit state to consent
You have clearly not watched the video. She was more than able to consent and more than willing to perform.

I agree with SGB. Just because this doesn't sit comfortably with many of you (I certainly wouldn't do it), it is entirely up to her to choose how she behaves. There is no reason for her to lose her job. Her behaviour doesn't reflect the typical behaviour of a teenager. She has every right to do that if she and the other participants wanted to. She may well see it as a fun adventure and look back on it as a bit of a laugh.