To think whoever organised this should be prosecuted?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679321/Mayor-demands-police-investigation-British-girl-filmed-performing-sex-act-24-men-two-minutes-win-3euro-bottle-Cava-Magaluf-bar.html

Apologies for the daily mail link and apologies if its already been done, I did have a quick look and couldn't see anything.

An old work friend posted the video of this on Facebook last night and it is horrendous... (And this absolutely doesn't excuse it) but she thought she was doing it for a holiday, but it turned out to be for a drink.

I feel so sorry for her parents (and for her actually)..

I think the rep who organised this 'game' should face prosecution...

SOrry,

Sorry, I realise my last post was perhaps a bit uncharitable. Like others here, however, I don't see the relevance of the rather technical discussion of consent that has taken place on this thread. This happened in Spain, so one would expect the Spanish to deal with it under their own law.

For what it's worth "conditional consent" is misleading. "Informed consent" is better, but still a minefield. I can think of one absolutely bizarre case from Victorian times, where a singing tutor had sex with his pupil on the basis that it was necessary to relax her vocal cords, or something like that. This being Victorian times, the pupil was so ignorant that she didn't know what she was consenting to. Verdict: rape. There are cases where the victim consented on the basis of mistaken identity. All rape. I can think of another case where the victim gave a job interviewer a blow job on the basis that she'd get the job if she did. Result, not rape - she knew what she was consenting to.

All a million miles from this shameful episode, which really just concerns a bunch of drunken louts, some male, some female. And I hope the Spanish aren't tut-tutting to much. After all, they do make a mint out of their infamous holiday resort.

From the DM:

A man called Kieran, 26, who said he was at the club at the time, told The Sun: 'The girl was being encouraged to drink more and more and was told she would win a 'holiday' if she took part in this game.
'Unfortunately the 'holiday' turned out to be the name of a cocktail. I feel sorry for her now. She must feel awful.'

There is so much wrong with this. Obviously the bar acted fraudulently in misrepresenting the prize, but there is also something wrong when people say 'poor girl, she was tricked into doing this for holiday and all she got was a cocktail.' Would a real holiday have made it worthwhile then?

Any person, male or female, prepared to do something like this in public, has a seriously poor judgement and an alarming lack of boundaries and self respect. I think not winning an actual holiday would really be the last of their problems.

Imagine it was the other way about, a guy performed oral sex on 24 women for a drink, do you think the papers (especially the mail) would be interested in shaming they guy? No of course they wouldn't, they would go after the 24 women who allowed themselves to be filmed taking part and they would still be all the names under the sun.

Actually, no matter how drunk he might have been, if the women had been drunk too then I think he'd be facing a long prison stretch for mass sexual assault. There would be none of this 'poor guy, he must have been very drunk - would he even have consented to this otherwise? What awful women to take advantage of him like that.'

Would there? Let's be honest.

darkstareyes I'm not an expert, just a student! The police spies is a grey area as the deception in that case doesn't fall under s76, and I think the current case is a civil claim for damages rather than a criminal one. However the concept of conditional consent is developing - part of the Assange defence against extradition is that what he was alleged to have done to the women in Sweden was rape in Sweden but not in the UK (they agreed to sex on condition that he used a condom, then he secretly didn't). The judges said 'hmmm, it potentially is rape under English law' so he promptly dropped that as a line of defence.

The relevant difference between Assange's situation and this one is that the victim consented to the act being done in a particular way, ie, with the use of a condom. Here, the act was not done in a manner different to which the woman wanted to do it. The most she can say is that she consented on the basis of a misapprehension about what she would get as a result of doing the act. Not the same thing at all.

C'mon. This is about drunken, obscene behaviour by one woman and a number of men in public. I hope they get whatever treatment (be it help of prosecution) that ensures they don't do it again.

Was it informed consent? Did she only consent because she was lied to?

I'm talking about the men. A pp said the men were assaulted & I argued that if they held their penis out ready, that could be construed as consent?

Why is everyone saying poor girl? What a slut. Honestly who would do that even if there was a holiday on offer. Isn't it basically prostitution? Instead of money changing hands it would be a holiday changing hands. Hope she got herself off to a clinic and the men too, disgusting.

In one way, what I would like to see happen next would be for the girl to speak out and say something along the lines of 'I had fun, the guys had fun, it was a laugh and all you uptight bastards are just jealous.'

Though, holy shit, if she does, the tabloids will be calling for her house to be firebombed. Because the whole point of this 'story' is to remind young women that their sexual choices do not belong to them, that they have no agency, that their behaviour is always going to be judged by men and 'society'.

Sadly Solid, it's not just men judging her. I've seen plenty of women slut-shaming too.

She's a poor girl for having this nonsense turned into a massive news story. Also for her family.

Great post solid.

What Solid said, but without the 'jealous' bit, which I always feels makes people sound either like they are lying and are actually regretful of their choice or they have no concept that different people get pleasure from different things. Ditto people who use 'boring' as a reason to not engage in anything that is outside their comfort zone.

What is so frustrating is... the bar/company concerned are probably revelling in the publicity and they will gain much from this in increased revenue with extra punters going to 'the' bar where it happened.

My question is - where were her friends? She was with 8 others apparently - surely there would be one or two who thought it might not be a good idea for her to do this. Some friends, huh...

Stupid stupid girl - imagine this to be your 15 minutes of fame.

I think if she spoke up and said 'I had fun and the guys had fun, it was a laugh and all you uptight bastards are just jealous', it would just confirm everything I think about her, the men and the bar owners, holiday companies, reps.

It is just pathetic behaviour- in every sense of the word. I am not interested in who she is or who the men are. For me it is the fact that we have young people (and I am only 34) from teenagers upwards who think this is ok. Why do they? The blame does not lie with individuals- it lies with our society. That is also why these companies and reps think it is ok - because as a society- across a wide range of 'sectors' we have got some decisions really wrong over time.

What has happened to these young people's sense of self-respect, self-worth, dignity, values they lve their lives by. It is as if these things just don't exist for them. That is what leaves women open to exploitation and develops mysogynistic attitudes in men - the notion that any of this is ever acceptable. By colluding in it, making money from it and sanctioning it, the companies involved mkae it seem acceptable. It is just awful. It makes me really sad and angry.

Maybe both the girl and her friends did think that this was just a bit of a laugh. Not everyone takes sexual activity very seriously, despite afairly wideranging cultural insistance that for women sex is either about love or it's inherently degrading (for the woman, not any men she has uncommitted or exhibitionist sex with). There's an element of 'Eugh, look at the feral working classes' about this fuss, as well.

sorry but lets be honest .if its true she thought it was a holiday .she was prostituting herself .sexual favours for material gain .silly cow . i have no sympathy just revolting .but god her poor parents

I often admire Solid's very liberal stance on sexual freedom for women etc, but I really don't want to live in a society where the type of behaviour being discussed here is normalised and expected. I do not want my children to think they are uptight or repressed for not having sex infront of other people.

me neither Mintyy

I doubt that any Spanish law has been broken. Some clubs have permission for live sex shows so this type of behaviour is nothing unusual.

I hope she did enjoy it, she certainly looked like she did. I don't believe she was humiliated by not being paid with a holiday. She chose to behave that way in public, she has every right to do that. There was informed consent all round.

She isn't the first and she won't be the last, to do this type of thing on holiday. She has grown up in an era when everything you do gets filmed and uploaded to the internet so she must have been aware that that was a possibility. I m surprised the story got so much coverage, I doubt she could have envisaged that, but when you behave that way in a public place, you cannot complain that other people saw, filmed and shared.

well said Lulu and Minty

as mum of 12 and 14 yo DDs it terrifies me what they might have to find their way through in terms of decision making about sex. Its no longer just about whether to say yes to a boy or not, when stuff like this and extreme porn is becoming more and more normalised, and so many young people seem not to know any boundaries. In my day it was a bit of a snog and some heavy petting, with a few going further while still at school - now its gang bangs, anal, spit roasts and god know what else from as soon as they become sexually aware. stuff that should be talked about and discussed in a stable LTR, with consent of both partners, is now the seen as normal and expected on first dates! it's so depressing. I'm all for equality of the sexes, for women being able to ask for what they want and do what they like but there needs to be boundaries for health reasons, for personal safety reasons, and for their own dignity and self respect. I find it depressing not liberating TBH. I don't care if that makes me an old prude. I just hope my DC will have far more sense and self respect than ANY of the people involved in this hideous story.

Given that the Spanish police are investigating, there seems some possibility that some local law has been broken. I doubt that any law allowing the licencing of live sex shows really covers what in fact was an unlicenced, drunken incident.

However, it would be a bit ironic if they were prosecuted given that worse things happen in Magaluf on a daily basis.

I don't get all this concentration on the woman. There were a large number of people involved. They all behaved badly.

What lulu said. What phantom said. Where the fuck has this country gone wrong. The girl - the blokes - just revolting idiots, the lot of them.

Why we can't teach teenagers what sex is really about? I would really like us to talk about love and respect and that it's OK to not have sex. That very often those sleeping around are desperately insecure. It's not liberalisation - these women have incredibly low self esteem and zero self respect.

I honestly think this starts from the sexualisation of girls on the TV that everyone is subjected to. Porn everywhere. Young people are growing up with such a messed up attitude to sex and women. This is the result.

This country hasn't gone wrong IMO. There aren't streams of young men and women behaving like this every weekend, which is why this is so shocking.

I have 2 teenaged boys, 17.5 and 19.5, both of them are disgusted by this, not just by the girl but by the boys as well. DS1 has been on a lads holiday, nothing like this happened. Some of his friends went to a strip club, he never because he believes (rightly) that the women in there were being exploited for little pay and treated like pieces of meat. His mantra is, and I've heard him say it to DS2, "If you wouldn't like a man to treat your mum like it, don't treat any other woman like it!"

One thing I think that a hell of a lot of people forget is that nowadays there will always be someone with a mobile phone with access to the internet and with a camera. As soon as you do something daft or remotely shocking it will be on the internet with in minutes. I keep drumming that into my kids!

I hope you are right, fairy. Your boys sound lovely. I only have daughters so perhaps I'm blinkered - I hope so. In my local town, on a Saturday night, I am utterly shocked by what I see and the way the girls dress. I am only mid-thirties!

Can anybody explain why it is 'mainly' Brits that act like this on holiday? Teenagers from other countries don't seem to behave in such a depraved way.
Yes, they like to let their hair down. (Thinking of US teenagers and their spring breaks as one example), but even at their worst, I don't think other countries young adults sink to the same levels our lot do.

Are British teenagers too mature, or have less morals, or don't value themselves much, no basic sense of decency.........or what?

Don't people care what other nationalities think of them?