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AIBU?

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to leave her out of this?

227 replies

BrittBritt · 17/06/2014 18:19

Okay please be kind, I'm genuinely not sure what to do here.

I have a DD, with my ex girlfriend. I am also female, if that is important at all. For reasons which are complicated, my girlfriend was not around for the first couple of years of DD's life, unavoidable on her part but I moved on thinking that she wouldn't be back.

So, I did move on..and now I live with my new partner. My new partner has never been referred to as my DD's mummy, and she has always been shown photos of ex and talks about her other mama.

Well, unbelievably my ex is back which is wonderful and she is building a beautiful relationship with DD which I'm so happy about. She's bought a house nearby and things are going really well.

Now DD & I have Ice Cream Mondays, where we go out for ice cream after school at a place in the next town. This has always been mummy and DD time, and my new partner has always respected this and understood that it is my alone time to bond with DD.

But yesterday I was held up at work and called ex to see if she could collect DD from the Childminders for me. She did as luckily it was her day off. DD asked could her other mummy come along for ice cream Monday, and I said yes, despite never having 'allowed' my partner to join us.

This has really upset my partner, she can't understand that it is different with ex, that she is DD's mama. She feels like her place has disappeared and I find this confusing as she has never 'been' DD's other mummy.

Sorry that this is so long. AIBU?

OP posts:
ChuffinEllAsLike · 17/06/2014 21:10

Very true softly

My best friend had a mum who divorced his father and met a woman when he was 9 years old. They stayed together for over a decade before they split and it broke his heart.

He didnt give a flying crap about his feckless father but missed his mums partner painfully.

Imsuchamess · 17/06/2014 21:10

I'm going to come at this from your dds point of view. My mother tried to exclude my step dad. Often used the you are not her dad line. You know what this actually did to me? It forged a very close bond between me and my step dad much closer than the bond between me and my mum and me and my biological dad. The closer me and my step dad got the harder my mum pushed. The harder my mum pushed the closer I got to my step dad.

The end result of this I hate my dad for not being there. But I hate my mum the most for letting her jealousy motivate her to attempt to rob me of the bond me and my step dad had.

The only one I actually love of the three is my step dad. What you have done is wrong to your dd it is not up to you who she deems her mama it is HER CHOICE something she should have been allowed to choose freely who to give her love too.

Fideliney · 17/06/2014 21:15

Oh dear. So ex has actually been in a coma (or similar)?

Is she still recovering/fragile?

Will you let your current partner have contact with your DD after you split?

Maybe some solo counselling would be wise to iron out the details in your head before you act.

Good luck Flowers

BrittBritt · 17/06/2014 21:26

wouldbemedic how dare you say that to me? How dare you? I didn't decide to leave her on account of her being disabled. We were told she would never recover. I am ashamed personally that I moved on, but I never for one moment stopped loving her and I was there all of the time. I was raising a newborn baby, perhaps I was weak and perhaps I was lonely and unfair. But don't you dare say that my love for my ex is worthless. I am stunned that you could say that to me. She is wonderful, beautiful - the woman I wanted to spend my life with and I have been going through hell with this.

My partner hasn't been in my DD's life for that long, and I will be sure to do the best thing by her. But she has been aware of her mama and has been very, very excited to have her for real.

I don't think I will be coming back to this thread now but thank you to those who have been ever so nice.

OP posts:
carlywurly · 17/06/2014 21:27

Read the whole thread and sending you support. Life has a way if throwing impossible dilemmas at us and I really hope you manage to find a way through this that causes as little hurt to all concerned as possible. Thanks

BoneyBackJefferson · 17/06/2014 21:30

wouldbemedic

I don't agree with the majority of your post especially the bit about a relationship with the ex not working, we don't know the full circumstance but the OP says that the ex wants another chance to work it out.

That being said I do agree with your last sentence
"Using your present partner as a 'next best thing' is also deeply disrespectful."

ohldoneedtogetagrip · 17/06/2014 21:36

Must feel like a massive massive slap in the face to your DP. I feel so sorry for her. She has been pushed aside. Sad

DaffyDuck88 · 17/06/2014 21:36

Oh OP. You are trying to work out whats best and as hard as it is are facing up to the difficult choices ahead. Thats to be commended. You can only ever be honest when it comes to relationships, but its such an awful mess I really feel sorry for how hard this will be on all of you. Very best of luck and huge hugs to your Dp. My heart breaks for her in this situation. I really wish all your family well.

FryOneFatManic · 17/06/2014 21:48

Actually, there's one thing that strikes me.

The OP so clearly has feelings for her ex, but there's nothing to indicate that the ex still has feelings for her.

It's always possible that the accident and coma could have involved some form of head trauma that could have affected the ex's feelings and emotions. I've seen this in relation to 2 relatives of mine who were never quite the same after head injuries.

The OP sounds nice, and I hope this situation can be resolved with the least hurt for all involved.

HaroldLloyd · 17/06/2014 21:49

I asked and she said her ex feels the same..

BoyFromTheBigBadCity · 17/06/2014 21:51

Op, this sounds like an impossible le situation. You are not an awful person at all, who can predict this and plan for it? Don't beat yourself up, just be honest with yourself, and all parties involved. I've not been in your situation, but I see that you are trying your best with the hand you were dealt, which is all anyone can do.
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frankblackswife · 17/06/2014 21:53

It sounds as though you've been through so much and thought that all hope was gone with your ex. It's understandable that you have moved on but OP it sounds as though you know where your heart is.
Life is too short -if you are meant to be with your ex then go for it. I don't mean that to be cruel to your current DP -but it would be much kinder to let her go to find someone who really loves her, she deserves that chance.
It sounds like your ex has been to hell and back (and you too with her) -against the odds you have the chance to be together again. I know what I would do.
Good luck OP.

KatieKaye · 17/06/2014 22:03

GOod luck, OP.

But please remember that although she has never been allowed the title, your partner has been like a mother to DD. I hope you will allow her to take DD out for treats and special times together if you do separate. they have had a very real relationship and it would be a shame just to end it because ExP is back on the scene.

Pumpkinpositive · 17/06/2014 22:31

I became disabled (through child bearing actually) and my partner stuck by me. Well, he'd promised to.

There's a world of a difference between being told your partner is disabled and being told they're in an irreversible coma. Hmm

Very unhelpful input.

todayisnottheday · 17/06/2014 22:47

Op, I don't know if you're still reading. This sounds like a dreadfully complicated situation that is going to be very difficult to unravel and I feel for all of you.

I just wanted to say a couple of things; if you are thinking of getting back with your ex please take it slow. Traumatic events and time both change people. Remember to allow time for both of you to get to know the people you are now, don't assume a romantic notion based on who you were then.

Secondly, as has been said, life is short. We get one lifetime in which to be happy. Here you need to concern yourself with the happiness of your dd and you. The happiness of both your ex and your current partner are, ultimately, their responsibility and you cannot knock yourself out trying to do what's "right". Of course I don't mean ride over everyone else, just take the time to work out what you and dd want and need then find a way to make that happen in the kindest way possible.

mytittifershavesungtheirlastso · 17/06/2014 22:49

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Tinkerball · 17/06/2014 23:56

Was she in a coma? You still haven't said, I fail
To see how this would out you anyway.

Fideliney · 18/06/2014 00:11

In fairness to wouldbemedic I still can't envisage a situation where medical staff told me my comatose DH would never recover and I walked out of the hospital and started a relationship with someone else. It isn't how traditional monogamy works is it?

I would envisage still visiting, remaining NOK, my marriage remaining my primary relationship regardless of the condition DH was in right to the end.

But even if you decided on something short of that, it has to be said that the OP's 'get on with my life' approach does sound a little bloodless.

wouldbemedic · 18/06/2014 01:36

OP: I'm confused. You say that you didn't leave your partner because she was disabled, but because she would never recover. Doesn't that phrase 'never recover' mean one of three things: 1. She was going to stay in exactly the same state she was in for the rest of her life (that would be disabled, to a greater or lesser extent). 2. She was going to make some improvements but it would never be significant enough to constitute a 'recovery'. 3. Her injuries were so catastrophic that she would remain in this crisis and shortly pass away. I'm genuinely sorry that you've been through hell with this. Really, it sounds awful. But of the three options, none of which was acceptable to you, two options involve your partner becoming disabled, and one involves the partner passing away. I have personally experienced a love that would withstand any of those options - and, to be brutally honest, it's worth a heck of a lot more than your love as you have depicted it here tonight. Call me a dreamer, but I think that true love is about what you do and are for the other person, especially when the chips are down. Not 'do you think she's wonderful?' because you don't need to be particularly loving to be with someone you think is wonderful. Anyone could manage that. But 'do you have her back whatever happens?' which is harder and likely to require personal sacrifice. I don't think you've had ex's back, which is why I dare to say that she has gone through a much more hellish hell than you have - though I'm sure you have gone through hell of a sort. Just not the kind where you're physically incapacitated, without links to your baby and without anyone to get into bed with, never mind to help you with the lonely, frustrating road of rehabilitation.

You say that you never stopped 'being there'. I don't know what that means. Did you support her as if she was your partner still? If so, how was there time and emotional resources to 'move on'? In what sense were you there?

It seems that you refused to let your current partner have a step-parenting role because the other 'mama' role belonged to your ex and needed to be kept clear for her. But you said yourself that you thought she'd never recover. Therefore, it would have been positive for your DD to enjoy a step-parenting role with the person in a loving relationship with her mum. It seems unfair that your DD should have to leave a role open for a space that looked as if it would never be filled, while you were quite happy to fill your 'ex-shaped space' in your own life.

Every decision you have made seems to have been made because it would make life easier for you and give you something you wanted. Now your lack of commitment to your ex has backfired, because your earlier behaviour may mean there is no workable relationship with her in the future.

As a disabled parent, I also feel a bit insulted that you have made no effort to value/facilitate your ex's contribution to her baby's life. There's no mention of you trying to find different ways to reach out or of hanging in there in the hope of something changing. Let me assure you, if your ex's mind was clear around the time you stopped taking DD into visit her, she will have gone through anguish. You would have underestimated both child and mother if you think they couldn't possibly find a way to have a meaningful relationship with each other. There are plenty of illnesses and conditions where it's possible to be a perfectly good parent without facial response. And it needed patience.

Pumpkin: I don't think we've been told that the OP's ex was in an irreversible coma at the time she moved on. It sounds like there was more communication going on between them than that would allow for. She told us on the thread that neither of them thought the ex would be able to return home and live with them again. The OP also mentions that she gave up bringing their baby into see her mama because it was awkward as the ex wasn't able to respond. At that early stage, I'm sure she wasn't. (For many months, I wasn't able to do much in the way of responding to my own baby but we were saved by DH's tireless creativity in facilitating ways that I might be able to connect in some small way with her...and then bigger ways...until one day, suddenly, she was my girl as well as his! That took having a partner who loved us both enough to make his whole life about fighting for his family in those early days. How glad I am that he did. In the OP's case, she doesn't seem to have waited around for a number of years to see what trajectory for healing; there seems to be relatively little time between letting go and moving on, with virtually no effort made to facilitate any interaction (even touch) between DD and her ex. This, despite the fact that there was nothing to say with certainty that the ex's disability would be lifelong. As it happened, things changed but the OP hadn't waited for that possibility.

If I was good friends with the OP's current ex and had watched her agony at going through a deeply damaging and traumatic accident, only to witness her then losing her immediate family - lover/best friend and baby daughter - I would feel that they were well shot of such a selfish, callous person. OP, I'm not questioning anything to do with your ex. I'm simply saying that your love for her was clearly not strong enough to do anything but what was in your own best interests at the time. It was certainly not deep enough to drive you to stand by your ex with loyalty and compassion. As a disabled woman who shudders at the agony such actions would have caused me in a similar situation, I cannot help but compare your love with my DH's love. My DH would never choose a euphemism like 'moved on' when it actually meant 'cut ties with my lover because her body broke. Left her to her misery and largely looked elsewhere.'

I'm sorry to be provocative but I feel very strongly about this because of my own personal experiences.

I hope you find a way of sorting things out. Flowers

weegiemum · 18/06/2014 02:27

I know you weren't married.

But dh and I promised "for richer, for poorer; for better, for worse; in sickness and in health"

And it's mainly been him giving, and I've got a degenerative condition that means I'll probably be dead before I'm 60, and dhs family has a horrendous heart disease history.

But if he had a stroke tomorrow, he'd still be my dh. I'd be there. I'd help our 3 dc cope. He's still my husband, no matter what. And I say that having watched both friends and family go through it.

How long after the accident did it become too much? A friend of mine has her dh in a coma 18 months after a cycling crash. There are encouraging signs. Their boys are 17, 15, 13. They go every day that they can, they're a family. That's what families do.

I might have this all wrong. But please, when you make your decision, remember your current dp. Please let her, and your dd, down gently.

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 18/06/2014 02:48

You aren't sorry to be provocative because your responses have only been to denigrate op.

The only parts you have correct for sure are 'I don't know' - you've projected your feelings about your experience onto an op when you don't have any information on the illness, the situation or anything about their lives. You have exactly zero knowledge of these evidently complex circumstances but are determined to lash out because it piqued your fears of abandonment, not being good enough or insecurity. Does the lady protest too much? - more assumptions. Unfair isn't it?

Do you know if there was the risk of homelessness, poverty, family input? Things anyone can be at risk of losing a spouse. Of course she wasn't a 'spouse', she was a partner, what NOK if not married? Her family called the shots - were they kind nd accepting of op's place in the family or did they make things difficult? Did she actually have any family to help or hinder? You don't have that information. Just the brief and trying to be non committal, unrevealing reply of hers that is fairly devoid of nuance. A woman grieving for her partner, with a baby, her future ripped away from her trying to do the best she could - she's got to be perfect, above needing support herself and meet your criteria on top of that too, just to not be labelled an awful person? Or perhaps because she is flawed she doesn't deserve help? For someone who has experienced a trauma you seem quite devoid of compassion or imagination.

The op asked and recieved an answer on this specific scenario. Due to her depth of feeling people picked up what she had been questioning about the situation.
Other than that it is absolutely none of any one else's business. The op clearly stated she didn't want to explain and why - she has no duty to do so to satisfy morbid curiosity. But you, and others, have taken these scant details and used them as a stick to beat her. Coming back to put the boot in more forcefully when you saw she wasn't going to be back to defend herself and if she did come back still wouldn't want to lay bare the lives of 4 people just for other posters prurient interest.
So any further support in managing the situation the best way possible is unlikely to happen now just so you could have a pop. And yet you hope she sorts it out? While keeping in mind what a cold, callous and awful person she is I assume?
Ridiculous passive aggressive nonsense.

Britt - if you are reading then a thread in relationships may be helpful for support in going forwards. Whatever happens there is going to be a lot of change in everyone's life and it may help to have somewhere to talk about it - and it won't matter if you made a choice that another person would not have made or did what you needed to carry on so your daughter still had one parent to look after her, you won't get a hyperbolic lambasting based on made up facts.

Fideliney · 18/06/2014 02:58

You think an unmarried partner cannot be NOK Bernard? Are you serious?

BernardlookImaprostituterobotf · 18/06/2014 05:12

Excuse me for forgetting which country I was talking about.
In the UK nok is not legally defined (although she would still have had to have nominated op) so no she could be - but that doesn't give you rights in a medical setting (bar the MHA I believe) to override the patient's previous stated wishes or the Doctors so it doesn't exactly enhance her position.
In the USA next of kin is legally defined - And the issue of unmarried partners not being allowed to make decisions - particularly affecting same sex couples who would never be 'married' before - was a problem and it actually infers something that UK nok doesn't. Doctors may seek advice from the next of kin and family but they don't have to take it, it doesn't parlay into much clout irl by itself.

Amazing, different places have different laws. If I was giving her legal advice I'd have made sure I remembered which laws ( I've needed various countries and states so yes, they may get jumbled) as a small part of a longer point - not that important. Was a throwaway illustrative comment really important enough to be singled out? Hopefully it's appreciated by the wider audience as it has fallen a little flat here if you were attempting a point of your own?

And the rest - you don't know the circumstances. You can't imagine a scenario where she might be doing the best that she could. You didn't seem to try particularly, instead just using some hypothetical scenario of your own added to whatever story of op's you filled in the blanks of to be sniffily disapproving about something not at all to do with the op. It doesn't need to be known for any helpful reason at all, it's plain nosiness and the chance to be superior.

Was your comment meant to discredit my opinion? Were you attempting to make me feel foolish? Or was it the only bit to latch on to? If you can't defend your comments and those in the same vein that is nothing to do with me. If anyone agrees with me that these replies made up of ever more spiteful fiction reflect poorly on those that made them then attempting to make me look wrong by being deliberately obtuse isn't going make a difference.
Frankly I could quote 6 laws backwards, in Greek and muddle them all together - won't invalidate an opinion that it's low to attack a poster's character based on the scum dredged from imagination land and to egg each other on in the race to the bottom.

Fideliney · 18/06/2014 05:57

You can't imagine a scenario where she might be doing the best that she could. You didn't seem to try particularly, instead just using some hypothetical scenario of your own added to whatever story of op's you filled in the blanks of to be sniffily disapproving about something not at all to do with the op.

I did? Where?
Confused

antimatter · 18/06/2014 06:43

I was going not to post it but there you are...

DD & I belong with my ex. We were never supposed to be apart.
yet
I am ashamed personally that I moved on, but I never for one moment stopped loving her and I was there all of the time.

Is that for real? Or some made up drama where you are orchestrating your life and those around you by doing things like this:

I have been clear with my partner from the start that I don't want her to be mum to DD, that's not an available role.
and
DD & I have Ice Cream Mondays, where we go out for ice cream after school at a place in the next town. This has always been mummy and DD time, and my new partner has always respected this and understood that it is my alone time to bond with DD.

Very immature and I am shocked how cruel you are to everyone around you.
You left your ex because she was dying.
Yet you made up her to be an important figure in your DD's life.
You got with another partner and denied her chance to be a parent.

Also delivering details in your life in little snippets doesn't help at all.
It doesn't matter that you are female. What matters is that you are cruel to people around you.

ps. I don't understand time for bonding, away and special etc. Does it make you feel better that you are organizing it? What are you feeling guilty of?
Any time spent with your child (and away too) is special and bonding. Not just Monday afternoon with an ice cream.

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