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AIBU?

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to wonder where everyone's money comes from and why we have none?

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 12:52

We are really struggling for money and are in a bit of a mess that we can't get out of. We really struggle to the point where I couldn't take the children for an ice cream with their friends after school this week because I didn't have any money to buy an ice cream. Yet my facebook is full of people eating in cafes, driving places at the weekend, children doing endless after school activities (mine did do gymnastics but have had to stop it, and often can't afford to take the toddler to the childrens centre playgroup because I literally don't have the pound admission). Some of these friends are an a lower income than us / not working...AIBU to think they must be being helped by family, or have savings we don't have, or another source of income?

DH earns about 30,000. To me that is a high wage, it's certainly more than anyone in my family has ever earned, although I appreciate that some people will earn more. I am a SAHM. We have looked at the finances of me working and when we do the sums, with 3 DC (two would need before and after school care, one preschooler would need all day), we can't see how it is financially possible for me to work.

Basically, we moved from the North to the South-East a couple of years ago in order for DH to take up a permanent full time job, which increased his income from 16,000 to 30,000 and gave us the security of a permanent contract. Obviously the cost of living is higher, and we seem to be worse off, along with having much lower tax credits than we did on a lower income.

We have done everything we can to save money. Our rent is 850, which is honestly the lowest we could find in the town where DH works. If we lived further out, we would spend more on travel. I hate the town anyway and wouldn't choose to live here! After bills, council tax, etc, we have about 400 to get through the rest of the month, including food and travel. We shop in Aldi or Lidl, and manage to spend about 55 a week on food, cleaning products and toiletries for the five of us. It is tight, using cheap veg to bulk out meals etc and no treats - especially for the grown ups. We don't use the car unless essential. DH walks forty minutes each way to work, and cycles the children 4 miles each way to school in a bike trailer, except on the mornings when he isn't able to because of work commitments, in which case I get the bus (i can't drive) which costs about 12 in bus fare for me and the children, for 2 return trips (there are complicated reasons why they don't go to school closer to home, involving school admissions and some extra needs, but we're not eligible for help with transport and we just don't have the spare money for me to learn to drive, even though we would save money in the long term because bus fares are extortionate).

We have sold everything of any value, including jewellery I was given for my 21st, things left to me in a will, etc. We don't have a TV or sky subscription. We have never had a holiday, and have only been abile to visit family when they have been kind enough to pay for the travel. All the children's clothes are off ebay, or have been passed on to us by other people. DH and I have holes in our clothes, and I have no shoes, only flip flops. A couple of months ago we had to SORN the car because we couldn't afford the MOT and road tax in one installment. Some months we have run out of money halfway through, and have managed by buying enough cheap food for a budget menu, and dh and I sometimes going without food, especially fruit and veg, in order to save it for the children.

AIBU to think that on the income we have, we really shouldn't be this desperately broke? Am I missing something abiout how everyone else is doing this? We do keep looking out for jobs in cheaper areas but nothing is coming up, and I'm not sure how we'd afford to move unless there was a relocation package.

Please be kind, but genuine suggestions welcome!

OP posts:
Trollsworth · 15/06/2014 18:34

People receiving low level DLA don't receive carers.

PossumPoo · 15/06/2014 18:35

Helpful there Melissa Hmm

OneLittleToddleTerror · 15/06/2014 18:37

melissa but it doesn't say if they are outside of the SE.

DroppingIn · 15/06/2014 18:39

You must be able to get Housing Benefit though OP on your income if your rent is £850 a month and you have 3DC. Have you looked into it?

melissa83 · 15/06/2014 18:40

That was to one little saying not many families of 5 can live on that just stating that plenty do

littlejohnnydory · 15/06/2014 18:56

I'm not disagreeing Melissa - I think it's a very good wage really and I know it's far more than many families have. That's why I'm amazed at how broke we are!

whois · 15/06/2014 18:59

You obviously need to increase your income or reduce your costs.

Work out to the penny where the monthly cash is going. Bills of approx seem very high. I've skin read the entire thread so appologies of I've missed where you break that out? Anyone once you have an accurate picture you can see if there is anything to cut back on.

Not working is tbh a luxury which you don't seem to be able to afford. Lots of people have given you ideas of the type of evening or weekend work you could do.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:02

I don't disagree with you either Melissa!

I don't get Carers allowance. We aren't eligible for help with transport to school because we could, technically have sent the children to closer schools.

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OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 15/06/2014 19:03

30k with 3 children is better off than 32% of the population

Which means that it is less than 68% of the population, so not surprising that the OP thinks that a lot of people are better off than her family - because they are.

bronya · 15/06/2014 19:04

We live in a more expensive area of the SE, I am a SAHM and my DH earns under £30,000. We will go on holiday this year, for the odd day out, and currently run two cars. It should be very do-able to live on £30,000 given where you live. You need to sit down with a spreadsheet and enter EVERYTHING in. You're currently spending at least £1200 a month after your rent, which is a lot of money. You say food is about £220 a month, I'm guessing combined fuel bill about £150 a month max, phones £60, landline £20, council tax £160?, transport to school £240 (if you take the bus 20 days a month), car ins £50, internet £20, water £40. That gets me to £960. What is the extra £260 going on? Or are your bills high? Do you have debts to repay? If you have nothing spare now, what about when the car tax is due, or the MOT, or it needs repairs? That school transport bill alone is crippling.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:06

Can't get aldi shopping delivered, and we have halved our shopping bill by switching from asda delivery. We do use the car, for shopping and to get to church, pick up children from play dates etc...it would make things very difficult not to have it. I'm not ruling it out completely though.

The plan is: claim housing benefit if we can, look for weekend work, and get back North asap. Working a couple of nights a week might be something I could do especially if one was a Friday night. Thanks.

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melissa83 · 15/06/2014 19:08

Would you not go home as you will have a much better standard of living. On that wage and amount of childrenwe have a couple of foriegn holidays a year, decent car, mortgage, private tutor, classes, sky, mobiles etc etc. I wouldnt scrimp just for being Iin SE

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 19:11

The Op has stated she" is struggling for money and in a mess we cant get out of" unreal
Working 2 nights a week with no childcare worries/cost and DH there to look after the DC is a very good way of increasing her income.( usually double pay or at least time and a half for nights)
No probably not want she wants to do but quite frankly beggars cant be choosers, you have to just get on with it.( yes I have done it)

toobreathless · 15/06/2014 19:13

If your feet are a size 6 PM me penniless :)

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 19:15

I'm with Bronya, you should be OK on 30K. Who manages the finances at home? Do you have access to the accounts or does DH do it all?

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:17

We have one loan repayment of 70 per month and 50 a month currently going to a family member who lent us the rental deposit when we moved here. I don't catch the bus to school every day, and yes, you're right - we couldn't afford the MOT and tax when it was due, so car was off the road for a bit.

There are expenses like the children needing new shoes because they've outgrown theirs, and when they started school recently we had to buy a uniform. You're right though, we'd benefit from writing every single thing down.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:17

I'd go home in a heartbeat as soon as we find a job for DH, Melissa.

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pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:19

Bronya, I'm amazed that you can do it, even if we managed to cut back I can't see how we could possibly have a holiday, 2 cars, etc. But if you do it, then it's obviously possible!

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melissa83 · 15/06/2014 19:19

At least you know you can go back to a 16k job and with all the benefits wont be on that much of a different income.

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 19:20

There is something nice about snuggling into bed after nights OP Smile
Especially if its raining!
You might also find if you have a toddler who is teething /up in the night that you get more sleep this wayWink
Tip :Make sure that DH takes them out while you are sleeping !

toothurty · 15/06/2014 19:21

Could you work in the evenings or weekends op?

I live in the south east and 30k doesnt go far.

pennilessandpanicking · 15/06/2014 19:22

Yes, it's a joint account and I haive full access to it, DHi does take care of the bills etc since I stopped working, then we look at how much we've got left and work out a budget for the week together. It does irritate him that I don't know how much the bills are.

veggie, I'm with you completely and it's a good suggestion, not a lovely one but we have to do something! It's a good suggestion.

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CrotchMaven · 15/06/2014 19:27

You both really need to take the bull by the horns and start budgeting properly, rather than reacting to each event as it pops up. Great that you recognise that - you'll get loads of ideas from moneysavingexpert, as well as on here.

Do you both have an "it'll all work out" attitude to life? Or did you see the 30k on the offer letter and think everything would be fine because it was so much more than your husband was on before? Because it seems odd as an outsider that the drop in benefits and the cost of housing in the new place came as such a surprise.

Best of luck. This will be hard for a few years, but if you come up with a strategy now, it will start to get easier.

maddening · 15/06/2014 19:32

If school is more than 3 miles and it the only school you can get in to then I think the dc gets a free bus pass - you have to apply for it and show there are no closer options for your dc - eg no places closer or no closer schools meet specific requirement - eg sn or the course you dc is doing is not available closer etc etc

wannabeveggie · 15/06/2014 19:39

The thing Im picturing OP is 5-10 years down the line.

If you stay in the SE your DH will have a better chance of promotion and increasing his experience and be better paid.
What happens if you move North and there is no job for him or one which pays 15K but no opportunities ?
You will be reliant on TC- what if they are cut or removed all together?

What if you get a job as an HCA and really enjoy it ,you could do nights until the youngest DC is at school and then switch to day shifts.
You could get extra training/promotion and end up doing something like being a Physicians assistant or Phlebotomist ,all the time accruing a pension, annual leave, yearly increments.

Good luck OP whatever you decideFlowers

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