AIBU to not want dogs pissing on my new wall?

[uptheauntie]

I'll caveat this by saying I am not a dog owner.

We have had a lovely white rendered wall built in our front garden. I cannot tell you how many dog owners I have seen pause at our wall to all their dogs to cock a leg and piss down it. Which is leaving marks! It is not rocket science that if you pour yellow piss down a white wall it will stain.

AIBU for this to piss me off? I'm not blaming the dogs, but couldn't the owners tug them on! It's getting to the stage I thinking of putting up a sign or banging on the window when I see it!

Rommell do you often take on the habits of animals? Is it strictly with regards to urination or are there other canine attributes you're itching to try out? For example a dog I used to walk ate other dogs shit.

Have you already attempted the latter? It would certainly explain the shit your spouting on this thread.

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream, I think rommell is perfectly reasonable. Dogs peeing, people peeing, where's the difference? It's still just pee. And, as others have said, it isn't toxic, is mostly water, etc., etc.

'I think it's wrong to let someone pee on your door.' 'I think it's wrong to let your dog pee on my wall.' One reasonable, the other not? Nope. Both reasonable, is what I think. It's possible you might reasonably say both unreasonable. What you can't reasonably claim is that one is reasonable but the other isn't. That's the point rommell makes; and rommell is right.

Thing is, as far as I can see, dog owners, pretty much to a person, generally, most of the time, behave unreasonably regarding their dogs. This thread strongly reinforces what I say. Dog owners, I know, won't accept this; that's because they're unreasonably prejudiced in favour of their animals. So it seems, anyway. As I say, if you want evidence, simply read this thread (or others attempting reasonable criticism of selfish thoughtless dog owners).

In one situation it's a dog doing the peeing. In the other it's a human doing the peeing.

Dogs pee outside, (most) humans above a certain age do not.

It is illegal for a human to urinate outside, it is not for a dog.

No difference?

This thread seems to be turning nasty in spite of the fact it's hardly revolutionary.
YOU think YOUR thing is more important.
I think MY thing is more important.

Dog owners are no more mind readers than anyone else, so if you don't like it, say so.

You miss the point, meeeep. No-one's claiming that dogs are or aren't reasonable. That, indeed, is a big difference between dogs and people. People may be reasonable ... or they may encourage their dogs to pee on other people's property, demonstrating their unreasonableness. (The people's unreasonableness, not the dogs'.) Likewise, people may be reasonable, or they may encourage their friends to pee on other people's property, demonstrating ... etc.

See?

Nope 'fraid not. Dogs pee on things and it doesn't bother me. Any dog can pee on my wall as and when they fancy.

I actually think this thread proves that the people who care about a dog weeing on their walls are in the minority. It is not (by many) common knowledge that this bothers others.

"Oh never mind, most dog owners either don't care or cannot control their dogs."

Oh how ridiculous and precious you are being over a bloody outside wall. I don't let mine pee on walls FWIW but you're being insanely over invested.

How about a young child, regularly walking a particular route, and each time stopping to pee against the same wall. Would that be OK?

rommell! evalyn agrees with you! You two have got a lot in common.

evalyn I'm not much of a dog person myself, I just don't like being called a numpty by rommell

Mind you, I do prefer dogs to morons

Because young kids can be hard to control, have minimal inhibitions, need to pee when they need to pee - some similarities. So I wondered what people would make of that.

What's the point of comparing dogs with children?

Hee hee Loving PFW (precious first wall) at 20:51
As you were

Mine once pee'd on the lollipop lady's stick while she was holding it

My children have been at that school for four years. It's only this year she has started talking to me.

I did discourage that. He doesn't pee on lollipop ladies anymore. He has an unnatural obsession with shrubbery. I get very fed up of being dragged into bushes while he finds the perfect spot to leave his pee-mail.

Thing is, as far as I can see, dog owners, pretty much to a person, generally, most of the time, behave unreasonably regarding their dogs.

Where do you live? Most dog owners that I know behave very reasonably regarding their dogs. However, if you consider that taking a dog for a walk and actually, god forbid, letting it go for a pee, is unreasonable, then I can't argue with that sort of ridiculous logic.

This thread strongly reinforces what I say. Dog owners, I know, won't accept this; that's because they're unreasonably prejudiced in favour of their animals. So it seems, anyway.

How exactly are dog owners "unreasonably" prejudiced? Biased maybe, understandably so, seeing as they have chosen to welcome a living animal into their family, an animal that will be relying on them for the next 16 years (if they're lucky). Most dog owners that I know, take this responsibility seriously.

As I say, if you want evidence, simply read this thread (or others attempting reasonable criticism of selfish thoughtless dog owners).

If you want evidence of how nutty people can be, read this thread. It's a wall. A wall. Outside. In the rain, being pooed on by birds, slimed on by slugs and snails, hit with sticks by small children, and shock, horror, weed on by dogs. If OP can't accept this, maybe she's not ready to own a wall?

Fox wee is far more offensive than dog wee.

Yanbu. I cannot stand entitled dog owners, and a lot seem to fall into this category. God forbid they keep their dog close enough to them to stop them pissing on someone's property, or on a lead. If you can't control your dog then you shouldn't have one or you should take them to training classes.

I really don't think you're being unreasonable AT ALL, but then I'm not a dog lover. That seems to be the deciding factor here imo! Precious doggy needs a wee wee awww. Not everyone thinks your dog is cute and lovely!

Fox wee is awful isnt it Owl? We have a 'friendly' fox that visits on a regular basis (probably after rats) and the stench is ridiculous. You can always tell when he's visited overnight - you can smell it as soon as I open the back door for the dog.

Dooin , I'd have been mortified. MuttDog is a very shy 'performer' - she'll stop mid wee if you look towards her and goes off into the bushes for 'secret' poos. Pain in the arse trying to pick it up.

Precious doggy needs a wee wee awww

So what is the alternative? I'm serious. My dog is always on a lead on streets and pavements - a proper lead too, not one of those extending monstrosities. He is always under my control. But if he stops to empty his bladder against a wall, a tree, a lamppost, a car tyre then I'm going to let him, because he needs to urinate when his bladder is full. He's an animal; that's what they do, and they do it when their nervous system tells them it's time to do it and when their instinct tells them it's safe to do it. To try and stop him from peeing when out on a walk (not sure how you'd manage that anyway) or to pull him away constantly when he's mid-pee and risk him overbalancing (and in my dog's case, aggravating his arthritis) are not options because that's bordering on animal cruelty.

I get that you're "not a dog lover" - that's fine, your choice - but does that mean you advocate trying to keep an animal in discomfort or risk hurting it just so that an inanimate object which will not actually be harmed by the occasional shower of urine is preserved at all costs? Because in my book that's verging on fucked-up.

I'd only had him two days. Previous to that he was only interested in climbing into the bushes opposite our house to cock his leg. I'm not sure who more surprised me or the lollipop lady. It was long, long time before he did the school run with me again.

After clicking and treating only shrubbery pee-mail, he now much prefers his shrubbery. He prefers it too much in fact.

We now have a raised flower bed in the yard. He climbs into it to cock his leg. He also sleeps in it. I'm northern, it rains a lot up here. We have carpet. Oh how long for a nice, clean white wall to be his favourite spot

Thank you CheeseandGherkins for proving my point so well. Nutty....

If they allow dog access to a drive, that's out of order. Dog should be on a lead anyway.

I like our house it's directly on pavement and there's no fence etc, that's hard cheese and something we have to just accept. Landlady paints it white, but it never occurred to me to wind myself up about it.

Sorry this is a bit long.

I'm still interested in what goes on on these pro- and anti- dog threads. My impression (I'm not going to count) is that this thread has a majority of doggie people. There may even be a majority of dog-lovers in the population at large -- I suspect there is, at least in England. This post is directed to the dog-lovers.

There's always a problem about how we treat people who aren't the same as us. 'Live and let live' is something I try to aspire to (and think we should all do so -- it's basically a moral maxim, albeit pretty vague). The bloke on the train who doesn't realise that mobile phones don't require their users to shout at the top of their voice; the parents who think Disney merchandise is the bee's knees for their children and mine; people who think small children's clothing and toys need to be gender colour-coded; the neighbour who doesn't see the need to trim her half of the hedge ... etc., etc. So long as offending behaviour is not overbearing, 'live and let live' will do: the guy on the train never knows how annoying he's being ... and so on. No big deal, most of the time. I'm sure I also reap the benefit from other people that I annoy and never find out that I do so or why. Civilisation, living together, whatever. Live and let live.

Of course some things are beyond the pale. Racist comments in public; sexist abuse; random violence ... OK, lots of things I don't need to get into.

Now, what about this dog-lovers v non-dog-lovers? Live and let live? Sure, most of the time it's not a big deal. Usually I don't complain. Sometimes, though, I get the strong feeling that it goes all one way. I'm supposed to put up with your animals, their (to me) obnoxious behaviour and their excreta in the public domain. Just now and then I'd like some recognition that not all of us think in the same way. I'd be happier if people didn't have pets; that's not a possibility, obviously some people obviously live better lives for having pets, even. That's clear enough. What I would like be really chuffed about, actually -- is for you dog-lovers to realise that some of us really don't like your animals, their shit and piss, their smelly asthma-inducing fur, their raucous barking cries ... all that. Some of us don't like it at all.

Maybe you think we're unreasonable. You seem to, anyway. You behave as if you think that. But we some of us think you're wholly unreasonable in your enjoyment of these pet animals. So; what to do? Live and let live? Sure. But doesn't that require something from you as well as from us? Perhaps keep your dogs away from strangers (might be one of us non-doggie people!), let them defecate and urinate in your own gardens and on your own walls etc.? No? Why? Who's being unreasonable?

Just to make one thing clear. I said this before. Dogs can't be said to be reasonable or not. People can behave reasonably that's what I'd like to see. (If we can't agree what 'reasonable' amounts to, let's try 'live and let live' but remember that cuts two ways.)

Well, I tried.