To think the School overreacted in Expelling Pupil and calling Police for a stunt,when a "bollocking would have been enough".

[smokepole]

Jacob Dowdle, a year 13 Pupil at Altrincham Grammar school on the last day of term May 16, put a paper plate with whipped cream in to his year heads face.

This was a very "Stupid" thing to do, but no harm was meant or injury caused yet the school called the Police and summary expelled him. The teacher was seeking a prosecution for the stunt, when she was not injured The teacher although upset , should have had the grace to except that it was a poor stunt , ( or like most teachers on the last day taken it on the chin as overexcited students behaviour).

I think the logical conclusion of this is even worse. If we reward thuggish behaviour and the disrespect of education while effectively penalising those who kept their head down, worked hard and behaved like adults. Let's face it that's what has happened as there's a very good chance these well behaved teenagers won't get an 18k job even after uni. Then it's not just teachers who need to fear assault but all of us. It promotes thuggery all round and actively discourages hard work and good behaviour.

he felt the teacher deserved it

Fucking hell! Did Anne Maguire 'deserve it' too?

Bur again by saying 'in wonder why he felt she deserved it'is the same old victim blaming again. What did she do to deserve being raped? Was she wearing a short skirt? Was she out in public?

So this teacher 'deserved it' because some adult male thought she did, and that's okay.

Scary.

Bloody scary.

Quintessentially. I have never been a mouthpiece for him, from the first post , I made it clear that what he did was unacceptable. However, I believed that it was a stupid stunt and was meant as such. It has since come out with this media frenzy and reluctance to remove the video from social media that this was a planned attack on a teacher he had issues with.

Frisky. Privileged does not just equal wealth, your son is privileged to go AGSB, he is also privileged to have parents like you who have encouraged him to work hard and gain entry. The point I made about privileged is relevant because if you think signing a stupid petition about a fool committing a planned attack against a teacher, you are immune from the realities of life ( it has nothing to do with how much money your parents have got). I have no doubt that most pupils at AGSB, are hard working, diligent and charming and see this attack as appalling and bringing poor publicity on their school. To the students who signed the petition, I hope with reflection ( lets get one over the school) they realise that his behaviour should not be supported. It demeans them as students, I hope they realise that they jumped on a bandwagon ,without really analysing whether it was just and reasoned to do so.

smokepole, I have read the whole thread, and I am still puzzled by your attitude a little.

So it would have been ok if the young man in question had meant it as a "stupid stunt", but it's now not ok because it has some malice behind it?

Why does the intent matter? The young man in question assaulted another adult whilst conspiring to video it and post it on social media. Why should the intent matter? If I walk up to someone in the street and slap them in the face, would the police deal with me more lightly if I said I intended it as a stupid stunt?

The possible malice behind the action makes it worse, but even if the action was a massive misjudgement that was fully apologised for, it would still be an assault and absolutely unacceptable.

Initially it was sold as a case of high jinks gone wrong eg. The pie was thrown and the teacher was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Smokepole realised that this wasn't the case.

I realise that Lumpy, but still in her last post Smokepole is implying that the intent had made a difference to her opinion. So it's not the realisation that the act was an assault that has changed her mind, just that she now believes it was intended with malice.

I have not seen Twitter. I based my opinion of him on what he has said in the news prior to this incident.

Smokepole, I view your opinion very different. You kept maintaining it was just a prank. Unacceptable, but just a prank. You did not see this as the assault it was, and in that respect you sided more with him than the teacher.

has anyone read this?

You've got a very direct username there pebbly. It's made me smile.

Jonathan May-Bowles, 27, was jailed for six weeks, for pieing murdoch

Pianodoodle, have just stolen your cream bun quote, I hope you don't mind. Let's see what Lawrence says.

hahahahahaha!

Lawrence Jones' mum was(is?) a teacher...

(www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/enterprise/my-way---ukfasts-ceo-1233847)

Quintessentially. I had just written a long response but lost it when I posted as the Internet went down.

Basically I said, Teenagers commit spontaneous acts, without thinking of the consequences or whether the act was appropriate or not. The other point I made was if this was a stunt with no harm meant, he would have been mortified when the teacher showed her discomfort and fear, he would have sort to help her not run away.

I also said that if schools encourage students to have "Stunt" days, they have got to to give the students some slack for " misguided" and in-appropriate stunts because of immaturity. ( they are only 18, you can be immature at 40) and because of being over- excited.

I'm not particularly concerned that the victim was a woman.

I'm all for equal treatment of the sexes and I'd like to think that if he'd hit a male teacher in the face he'd have been treated in exactly the same way. Everyone in the school deserves proper and equal respect.

sallying, I think the point is that if the teacher had been a 6ft 2 PE teacher, he probably wouldn't have done it.

brighton, just read that article. I was particularly taken with this;

"What is parked in your drive way? - A Ferrari 430 Spider, Bentley Continental GTC, Porsche Cayenne, Range Rover Overfinch, a JCB Telehandler and a mini-digger."

I think the digger might come in handy if he carries on the way he's going.