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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To feel free to use other children's toys in the sandpit?

276 replies

HarderToKidnap · 27/05/2014 23:52

We go to lots of parks with our 2.4yo DS. He loves the sandpit and often we take our own spades etc, although sometimes we forget and sometimes go somewhere adhoc and don't have things with us, or go to a new place where we don't realise there is a sandpit.

Now, often in communal sandpits there are various buckets and spades lying around looking abandoned. I always feel free to give these to DS to use, having had a quick peek round for the owner. If after I pick up the spade I can't see anyone looking territorial, I will just give it to him to use. I keep an eye out for anyone coming near us spadeless, so I can quickly check with them whether the spade is theirs, and leave the stuff where i found it when we're ready to go. If I abandon my spade whilst DS toddles off to another attraction and I see someone else using it, I never mind. Just part of being at the park.

Anyway, got a mouthful off someone the other day for using a bucket they'd left in the pit. They'd stuck some paper pictures onto the bucket and one had come off. I'd noticed this before picking up the bucket, which had been laid there a good twenty minutes before DS picked it up. I stashed the paper pic safely and was intending to leave it in the bucket when we left. To reiterate pic had already come off bucket and was next to it. They were REALLY cross about the use of the bucket and obv thought we'd caused the pic to come off.

Discussing with friends today, there seems to be an even split between those who thought I was hideous for using someone else's toys, and those who thought mouthy mother was a lunatic. MN Jury, what say ye?

P.S., I'm not intending to change my behaviour at all, btw, regardless of MN consensus. I love the give and take in the sandpit and have had nothing but positive interactions with other mums and kids re the sharing of toys, save this one incident. This AIBU is purely for information gathering purposes!

OP posts:
BrianTheMole · 28/05/2014 19:12

Suppose its alright if they give the used towel back soontobe? Grin

violetlights · 28/05/2014 19:12

gorionine - Because a 12-month old or whatever doesn't have a very well developed sense of ownership. If they've been playing with it happily for 20 minutes and then some stranger comes a takes it away, they get upset. Makes sense to me. Their parents always encourage them to say 'thank you' through the tears... Grin

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 19:14

just to add as well, I hate forward children and adults who ask and would refuse on principal no matter how polite.

You should wait to be offered.

You can call me all the selfish people of the day, but in my experience the forward asking type of children and adults aren't the ones that play nicely or take care of other people's property.

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 19:16

and I mean random strangers in that, not neighbours/friends or friends children etc.

gorionine · 28/05/2014 19:17

This thread made me realise something about myself, I am not as nice as I thought I was. Grin

BrianTheMole · 28/05/2014 19:18

Luckily most people in practice seem to agree that discarded sand toys are fine to play with until the owner wants it back, or at least the don't-touchers mostly manage to swallow their rage.

I can only think of two occasions where toys have just been taken in rl. One where I had to ask for it back and was refused, and the other where a ball was taken and kicked over a fence. The parents fucked off and left it without saying anything. The rest of the time parents have asked. And of course I said yes. Far more civilized. The ones that bother to ask seem to make more effort to look after and return what they borrowed. Funny that.

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 19:20

This thread made me realise something about myself, I am not as nice as I thought I was.

Same - except I never really thought I was nice - other people seem to think so, but not sure they have reached the inner me :o

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 28/05/2014 19:30

"What's the chances that the people saying YABU were the uptight ones at school. You know the type, they didn't like others touching their pencil case, the ones that never shared their sweeties, the ones that guarded their books like their lives depended on it.

Whereas those saying YANBU and I do exactly the same, were the relaxed children at school about their belongings. Laughed if someone lobbed their pencil case across the room, shared their sweets, loaned their books if someone had left theirs at home.

It will get those in the former camp all twitchy, but my guess is that its bang on the money."

What a truly nasty generalisation, Enjoyingmycoffee. Horrible.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 28/05/2014 20:31

Why is a unsupervised book belonging to an adult any different to a bucket and spade belonging to a child?

Who cares if we have different reading tastes a book is a book

amicissimma · 28/05/2014 20:44

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BrianTheMole · 28/05/2014 20:48

If you value something to the extent that you can't bear to lend it, take it with you, or secure it.

Thats a sad message for our children isn't it. Anything that isn't secured is easy pickings.

PrimalLass · 28/05/2014 21:33

Why is a unsupervised book belonging to an adult any different to a bucket and spade belonging to a child?

Depends. If you leave it with your towel and other stuff then it clearly has an owner coming back for it. If you leave it on a sand dune on it's own and go home - what then? How long before someone can pick it up for a read of the blurb?

chrysanthemumtea · 28/05/2014 21:37

Our stuff is labelled with my kids names with a sharpie so I am happy for anyone to use because it means no dispute that it's ours when it's time to go.

Sometimes if my kid not using it that second but is using it generally it annoys me if others use it, but so be it. Am sure my kids do that to other people too.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 28/05/2014 22:29

just to add as well, I hate forward children and adults who ask and would refuse on principal no matter how polite.

You should wait to be offered

Seriously??! A child sayes 'please could I play with this bucket' whilst your child is otherwise engaged. And you would say 'No'.

Good heavens. I am almost speechless. Selfish, uptight, nasty. You and your ridiculous principles. And sadly passing on that kind of behaviour to your children. So the spiral continues

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 22:42

Enjoyingmycoffee1981

Oh and you are just a delight?

I guess it depends on their manner tbh, some people ask but with the expectation that you will say yes and are very entitled, such people piss me off no end and yes, in that case I would say no.

If the manner was different and I could see that the person asking was a genuine nice "not entitled" person then I would say yes, at the end of the day I am not the one looking for a favour here. I am not the one going round thinking it is my right to play with other peoples things if they happen to turn their back/go deal with an emergency or whatever. I am the one that considers my own children's enjoyment and bring appropriate toys with me or teach them how to enjoy and play with or on the stuff provided without bothering other people to borrow their stuff.

If that makes me selfish, uptight and nasty in your view then on you go - strangely it is the people who are on the borrow who think that the rest of us are selfish, not the people who are being asked to lend - maybe have a think about that one.

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 22:47

I guess I come from a reserved background and I wouldn't ask or expect anyone to just hand me their things just cos I was too lazy or forgetful to bring my own. I would never ever go up to a stranger in the park and ask for my child to use their things - that just seems quite bizarre tbh.

I've taught my children to enjoy what they have and share with people they are playing with, I'd be horrified if they went up to someone and asked to use something of theirs - different with friends or other kids in the street swapping bikes or scooters or giving others a turn with their things in the street but just other kids in the park - I don't think so.

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 28/05/2014 22:49

Soon.. loving your analysis of whether a child is asking with an entitled tone or not! That made me smile. Your forehead wrinkling as you debate with yourself whether the 5 year old was asking for your bucket with an entitled tone or not.

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 23:04

no, I wouldn't have a wrinkled forehead or a debate - i can usually spot the entitled parents and kids a mile off, it the manner, the demeanor and probably the fact that they are asking in the first place.

Iwillorderthefood · 28/05/2014 23:05

Picking up a spade in a sand pit is one thing. I experienced something on a whole other level. I teach my DC that they need to look after their things, and therefore I had put our things back under the buggy, and gone off and done something else. When we came back, a child had taken these things from our buggy and started using them. This is where the line is crossed as far as I am concerned. I was really cross at this point.

krasnayaplats · 28/05/2014 23:31

This thread made me think of this www.thehonesttoddler.com/2014/04/OpenLetterto-ChildIhit.html Grin

soontobeslendergirl · 28/05/2014 23:45

Very funny krasnayaplats

....and anyway who asks to borrow things from strangers in the park? There are things I would be prepared to ask for, for example, if my child was injured and I had inadvertently mislaid a tissue to stem the blood or something of that ilk. Toys, books etc, errm No, hardly necessities, if we haven't brought our own it does no harm to go without. Surely your child can accept, "Sorry x we don't have our bucket and spade today, we must remember next time, in the meantime lets build with our hands and this stick or lets have a go on the slide" and if they cant then it's your job as a parent to teach them that.

BrianTheMole · 28/05/2014 23:53

That is funny krasnayaplats. Very funny. I've made it linky for you. www.thehonesttoddler.com/2014/04/OpenLetterto-ChildIhit.html

PrimalLass · 29/05/2014 07:16

Still no-one answering the 'how long' question.

krasnayaplats · 29/05/2014 09:34

Thanks Brian, I was on iPad last night and wasn't sure how to make it linky.

RockinHippy · 29/05/2014 09:48

YABU I agree with the "rude to take without asking" brigade & that its not a great message to teach DCs

When DD was small we would look around, pinpoint who it belonged too & ASK if it was okay to borrow the item, no one ever said no & I too would have been cross with any parent who had not shown DD the same respect.

DD now has a lovely respectful attitude to other peoples property - our friends DS, who's DM took the same attitude as yourself, just doesn't - not even his DMs stuff - you will reap what you sow