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This Morning - totally one sided fucking slot on Grandparents being denied contact

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trashcanjunkie · 22/05/2014 11:41

God I'm fuming watching this. This Morning have done a section on parents denying contact to the grandparents. The whole thing has focused on how cruel and unfair it is for parents to do it. They've had a succession of gps on who've had contact cut. They made NO FUCKING attempt to acknowledge the thousands of people who felt they had no choice than to go nc as the relationship with gps was/is utterly toxic and no matter what they tried it always would be.

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SarahAndFuck · 26/05/2014 23:02

We've had some messages from MIL this weekend.

She's wanting to check the details of DH's career because she is writing her life story and she has said she intends to include me and DS in this.

However she says she has decided to write this story as though nothing bad has ever happened between us and she still has two DILs who mean the same thing to her and "nothing will be said about what Sarah has done." Hmm

So basically, she's planning to write a bunch of lies about our relationship so she can paint herself as a lovely woman and pass this nonsense on to her grandchildren when they are older.

I'm not sure how she's going to explain the past three years of no contact following four years of vile and cruel comments and behaviour, which included interfering with our children's grave at one point, removing our fresh flowers and replacing them with weird ornaments stolen from other graves (police were involved).

I have told DH that I want no part of this writing, and don't want DS in it either. He's not happy, he finds it very weird that the story of her life requires random details from his job and he doesn't want her writing about me or the children either.

She hasn't mentioned writing anything about the two babies we lost, but as she has already said they are not proper grandchildren to her, and as they are dead and she can gain nothing from them, she probably won't bother to mention them at all.

However we have no control over what she writes so I am now considering writing down as much as I can to keep and refer to should her lies ever find their way into DS's hands and he wants to know what really happened.

SarahAndFuck · 26/05/2014 23:24

I've just read back and seen Cloggal's post about Denise Robertson's advice.

Keep trying and don't give up is exactly one of the reasons why I felt so under pressure from my MIL and partly why our relationship cannot be fixed now.

Way back when our relationship could have been salvageable, I asked her to take a step back and stop pushing me. I think I even said that you cannot keep pushing a person and expect them to walk towards you, if you push then they naturally withdraw even further back to create the space they need. Back off, give them space and they will come to you eventually.

Nothing got through to her. Eventually wasn't good enough. Instead it was day after day of phone calls, it could be fifteen-twenty calls in an hour to landline and mobile. There were letters through the door and their car parked outside the house. They would follow me in their car if I took DS out in his pram, follow me to the shops to check I was going where I said I was, they would watch the house and be knocking on the door within seconds of us walking through it if we had been out. Visiting two or three times a day. Trying to make arrangements to see us all the time. If we saw them on Monday and said we would see them on Wednesday they would be asking "but what about Friday and Sunday and next week and Christmas as well?"

We felt like prisoners in our home. DH was working away a lot and so was only home Friday to Sunday. Yet his phone would be ringing before he left work "where are you, when will we see you, can you make Sarah do this, tell Sarah we want that, tell Sarah she has got to do as we say…"

MIL even wrote to me to say "I know you said not to write to you anymore but I don't want to stop until I have made you listen to me."

If they had just stopped and behaved like normal people, just left things alone and stopped dragging up everything every five minutes we might have actually managed to fix things.

I know things would have been strained between us at first but if they had backed off and let me actually have a bit of space to approach them then things could be very different now.

Instead, in the name of 'keep trying and don't give up' they hounded me to the point I had panic attacks. I thought I was having a stroke during the first one. All because of advice like this.

They still send cards and gifts and ask people to intervene on their behalf and speak to me and tell me they love me and they don't understand what they've done or why I suddenly decided to treat them so badly. They've said sorry, so everything now is down to me.

I still can't leave the house without looking for their car. I park mine at the supermarket in a space they can't block me into. I walk into relatives houses carefully, so I can check if they are already in there. I carry a panic alarm because I'm scared of meeting them somewhere. And every special occasion is a tightrope walk of unease and worry, wondering where the card or gift from them will appear from, which relative they will have convinced to pass it on for them.

Because that's the advice. Don't give up, send cards and gifts so they know you still care. And if some woman on the telly says it then it's got to be okay right? They're not doing anything wrong.

TillyTellTale · 26/05/2014 23:34

cjelh it's not about having 'control'. Adult children are adults. And if after knowing you all their lives, and being brought up by you, they had decided they absolutely couldn't stand you, it would have been wise to consider if maybe it was because you were nasty.

You mention that you have no rifts. Well, maybe that's because you're an okay person.

Sometimes, people who really aren't okay have children. And the children become adults and realise their parents are really Not Okay People.

HauntedNoddyCar · 26/05/2014 23:38

Sarah that is awful and it can't be coincidence surely that she's reared her head a few days after TM tell these people not to give up.

I have been wondering if we'll get something. I just hope that FIL's not received that gem.

SarahAndFuck · 26/05/2014 23:47

I think it might have something to do with it Haunted.

It's another way of not giving up. She's leaving something for her grandchildren. It's just unfortunate that it's going to be the same sort of made-up nonsense she lives her day to day life by.

She is so unwilling to admit that she might have done something wrong that she will re-write history as it happens and lie to your face about things you yourself have said, done or witnessed.

And she really believes her version is correct. I'd put money on her passing a Jeremy Kyle lie-dectector test because she's so convinced that her made-up life is true.

I hope your FIL stays quiet. But if gives you a horrible feeling of something bad hanging over you, waiting to fall, doesn't it?

GatoradeMeBitch · 27/05/2014 01:47

I think grandparent access should depend on what the child's life is like. I would hate to think of some poor child being shuttled between Mum's house, and Dad's house, and Nanny's house, and Grandma's house... At that point you may as well install the child in a hotel suite and just have the adults check in and out on their allotted days.

cjelh · 27/05/2014 09:29

Sarah, thats awful and I would never agree with that. I think the sort of 'don't give up' she meant would be along the lines of non threatening Birthday christmas cards, and not harassment.

TILLY. Thank you for your wise words but I really have brought up my family with no rifts I am definitely no saint, but realised that what plans I had for dcs may not be what they had for themselves!!!

I know that there are some families that the gps are awful - I know some and would only say contact had to be limited if not stopped for the sake of all.

It IS about control though and as mums you will not always recognise how strong the desire to have the family you want is. You have firm ideas how you want to bring up your dcs and the need to sustain that is very strong and that is why teenage years can be full of clashes.!!!
You want to control what your dcs eat, wear and do. It is natural as it is an extension of thinking you know whats best for your dcs.
Hope you don't get a shock when your dcs don't share your vision for their livesSmile

HauntedNoddyCar · 27/05/2014 10:17

Cj, the trouble is that even the 'non-threatening' cards ARE a problem. It brings it up. Even thinking about that makes me feel panicky. DH deals with them and puts them straight in the bin. What if the dc get to them and read something inside that's all full of pretend affection and dripping with unrealistic sentiment.

cjelh · 27/05/2014 10:36

Haunted. That sounds awful and when things are that bad it would be good to think they would follow your lead and wait from any contact from you. I was trying to suggest that maybe Denise on the programme was saying cards (just saying 'happy birthday' not including other words once a year IYSWIM) rather than harassment when there was hope or reconciliation, not when things were clearly beyond repair. There are obviously situations that can be repaired and situations that need definite no contact. I don't think anyone (except toxic gps) would suggest the treatment you get.

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