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This Morning - totally one sided fucking slot on Grandparents being denied contact

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trashcanjunkie · 22/05/2014 11:41

God I'm fuming watching this. This Morning have done a section on parents denying contact to the grandparents. The whole thing has focused on how cruel and unfair it is for parents to do it. They've had a succession of gps on who've had contact cut. They made NO FUCKING attempt to acknowledge the thousands of people who felt they had no choice than to go nc as the relationship with gps was/is utterly toxic and no matter what they tried it always would be.

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tiredandsadmum · 22/05/2014 17:53

I tried really hard after my divorce to ensure that DS saw his paternal GPs. My ex had hardly bothered to see them when we were married. Within 6 months they had cut me off and he now uses them for babysitting at a 125 mile round trip instead of parent first refusal. They are good GPs to my DS but if my ex dropped dead tomorrow I would find it very difficult to make any arrangements for them to see him, due to their behaviour. And my situation is mild compared to many.

DoJo · 22/05/2014 17:56

It's not about what the grandparents 'deserve' - it's about what's best for the child. And WRT to the 'palming off' issue, there is no compunction for people to leave a child with their parents on their contact days - surely spending a day all together is a nice way to maintain the relationship whilst also enjoying their own contact. That's what most families do isn't it/

mismylinford · 22/05/2014 17:59

i don't thing gps have a automic right to see their grandchild.
i have band my dad from seeing my dd after making.malicious comments about her gran (his ex wife nasty divorce).
and would be the same with any other member of the family acting or making such comments that are detrimental to my daughter.

Canthisonebeused · 22/05/2014 18:03

Was Denise Robertson involved? That woman is fucking dangerous

dancinggerald · 22/05/2014 18:18

I think this is a bit over the top. Unless those grandparents are child abusers or like, a short contact once in a while wouldn't do any harm
You don't have to live with them and obey them

How is it beneficial to my children to allow them to watch me being treated badly, and to be exposed to unhealthy dynamics within my family, even though GP's have done nothing bad directly to the children?

SarahAndFuck · 22/05/2014 18:20

DH's parents haven't seen DS since he was 19 months old and he is five now.

I've spoken on here before about why that is. I haven't seen them since that time either and DH sees them very rarely.

Occasionally DH wishes that things could be different with them, they are his parents after all, and will sometimes say that he wishes things could go back to "how they were" or that they could have "a second chance."

But he's had his entire life being controlled and manipulated by them and he knows that, in reality, how things were before was pretty terrible a lot of the time and that they have had hundreds, if not thousands of chances already.

To give you a small idea of what they were like, three days after we lost our first child to stillbirth MIL asked me if it still hurts to give birth if your baby is dead. A short time later, when we lost our second child to prematurity she asked if our daughter had been born with all of her face or not. She caused arguments at both of our children's funerals and informed us that they were 'not proper grandchildren' to her.

When DS was born she kept referring to herself as his mother and once, when he first learnt to crawl, she lifted him off the floor and onto her knee by grabbing him by his neck, both hands around his throat, and hauled him up.

PILs are not in the best physical health and BIL and SIL had already raised concerns about how capable they were of taking care of their children, so that was a concern of having them look after DS too. They have regular falls and are unable to get back up on their own, both have problems with their backs and legs and they have other physical conditions too.

They've made a long habit of lying to one part of the family about the other, told many lies about me, about DH, about our SIL, in an effort to turn people against each other and get sympathy for themselves.

And the worst one was when BIL was in hospital following an accidental overdose of alcohol and drugs. Instead of telling us this, they told us he had a hereditary disorder that might kill him and that DH and his siblings might also have. They wouldn't tell us the name of this disorder though, so we had no idea what to ask the doctor to test him or DS for and we believed this disorder might have been the reasons why we lost two of children and could potentially lose our third. We went through hell trying to get answers before we found out it was all a lie.

They have regularly disowned DH on one day and then claimed to have no knowledge of doing so the next.

They are a nightmare and his childhood was a bizarre mix of suffocating attention and weird behaviour. They had a neighbour strangle his pet rabbit once, as they said it was ill, and then left it for him to find dead in it's cage. They tell 'hilarious' stories about the time his older brother fell from an upstairs window as a toddler and they didn't know until a woman passing in the street found him underneath it, the time his sister was found crawling on the road as a baby and they had no idea she wasn't in the house, and how they always knew their oldest friend was back home from time away in the army because they would see his wife with a black eye.

I realise this is a long post but it's actually just a tiny fraction of why I don't want them near me or DS and why DH sees so little of them.

And yet if they had been on that programme today it would have been all "we don't know what we've done" and "we love them all" and "we've apologised but Sarah hates us and we don't understand why" and people would feel sorry for them. I know because this is the way it is now, everyone has an opinion and I've had abusive messages from friends and family demanding I stop upsetting PILs.

Yet they ignore the fact that DH has also kept DS away from them, it's not just me.

Petrasmumma · 22/05/2014 18:25

(Passes Sarahandfuck a glass of wine...)

MommyBird · 22/05/2014 18:32

And yet if they had been on that programme today it would have been all "we don't know what we've done" and "we love them all" and "we've apologised but Sarah hates us and we don't understand why"

This. I find it so weird that all Toxic/Narc people say the exact same thing.
"I don't even know what i've done"
"I've said sorry what more do you want me to do?"
"I'm sorry it offended you, im so upset, its made me ill thinking that you hate me"

God. Its like a script they all follow.

SarahAndFuck · 22/05/2014 18:32

I probably haven't done a very good job of explaining all that.

There's just so much. Years and years and years of lies and tantrums and manipulations and controlling behaviour.

DH and his siblings have all been affected by this in one way or another, some in more obvious and extreme ways than others.

It grinds you down and they have completely eroded any chance they have of having a normal relationship with DH, with me or with DS.

I've said this before but if something is broken you can at least try to fix the pieces back together but if you grind something to dust then you can never repair it. It's gone.

And it would take more than ten minutes on This Morning to explain just how finely they have managed to grind their relationship with us. What I described in my last post is the very tiny tip of an absolutely massive iceberg.

SarahAndFuck · 22/05/2014 18:35

And thank you for the wine Petrasmumma Smile

fifi669 · 22/05/2014 18:35

Of course it's one sided! Everytime they have a miscarriage of justice story they don't parade real criminals about! It's telling the plight of a certain section of society.

It does happen to innocent GPs, it's happened to DPs parents. His ex took offence at how his mum passed their DD around the room (because everyone wanted a cuddle). From then on she refused to see his mum and when they broke up made it a point of his extremely limited contact that DD wasn't to see any of her relatives. These are good people. DP just had a child with a control freak.

Petrasmumma · 22/05/2014 18:40

Sarah, you did brilliantly. And it was brave of you to share the things your narc MIL has done. I hope This Morning send a researcher on here so they can see what a horribly offensive piece of journalism they broadcast today.

brdgrl · 22/05/2014 18:43

Grandparents should have no more right to access than the man who delivers the post.

(and I love my parents and wish they could see more of DD, and my in-laws are deceased.)

cjelh · 22/05/2014 18:46

I don't dispute the crap of some gps and how they should be cut out of peoples lives, but this programme wasn't about them. It was a bout people who had been unfairly cut out of lives. The couple they had on were cut out after the son died. Perhaps the mum was unfair as it was too painful for her to keep contact.

All you out there who have wicked gps in your lives are not he only stories.
I think as it was a programme about gps being denied contact that is what they focused on,
Its not all about you - not every situation is the same as yours, I know people whose family is just not good enough for their new social situation and that is why they are banned. The parents who have banned them have said as much.

Denise did have a point about thinking ahead. You may not be as perfect as you think and your dcs may not appreciate your control on their lives either.

dollius · 22/05/2014 18:57

But how do you know they were unfairly cut out, cjelh.

My mum who has done and said the most horrendous things to me would put on a fantastic show of waterworks and "I don't know what I've done wrong" as well.

I cannot allow her to see my children because of the vile things she would say about and to me in front of them. It would be damaging for DC.

Anyway, even parents don't have "rights" to see their children. The DC have a right to a relationship with their parents. Why on earth should GPs have "rights"? I would never return to the UK if my parents were given "rights" to my children.

And to put in perspective. I have no such issue with my PIL. In fact, we are sending the DC to stay with them for a few days this summer. They have a wonderful relationship and I dearly love them myself. So this is not about me being spiteful.

Infinity8 · 22/05/2014 18:58

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cjelh · 22/05/2014 19:06

I don't know either way but nor do you. As I said there will be dozens of people on here who will be able to tell me how horrid and toxic gps are.

Not all gps are. I know unreasonable parents too.

FWIW I have 5 dgcs and see them most days. I don't have these problems, but am old enough to know that SOMETIMES, SOME PEOPLE stop families keeping in touch when maybe they shouldn't.

I don't agree about the rights thing either, being a grandparent is a privilege not something to legislate for.

MojitoMadness · 22/05/2014 19:14

I suppose anyone looking from the outside in on my situation with my mum would think I was completely unfair and horrible to cut her out of our lives. I had a pretty normal good childhood. But she was suffocating and I have had so many problems stem from that. When I had my dds she almost destroyed the relationship I had with my DSD, and almost destroyed my marriage. She would constantly undermine me and acted as my dds were her children. She was controlling, manipulative and knew how to play the victim and martyr very well. That coupled with some very dodgy behaviour from her DP which she refused to acknowledge as dangerous towards my dds led to me cutting her out. I'm sure she's told the world a very different story, she loves an audience.

I have to say though I agree with Denise on one thing, that our own children may very well do the same thing to us in the future. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm perfect, I've made many parenting mistakes. I have a lot of faults, I'm not always as good a mother as I could be, sometimes out of selfishness on my part, sometimes out of sheer tiredness. I've had MH problems (ironically caused by my mother) in the past, as has DH (also ironically caused by his mother), these are still ongoing. It means we're not always the best parents, sometimes my kids bear the brunt of my temper when I should not take it out on them.

I'm sure when they look back as adults they will find many a fault with both me and DH. I like to think they'll always be in my life but I'm learning to never say never. I try to be almost the opposite of my own mother (who I know was trying to be the opposite of her own mother), but not as extreme. My nan was neglectful and emotionally abusive, my mother trying not be like her was emotionally and physically and mentally suffocating. I'm trying to be a happy medium, attentive with smothering, letting them be independent without being neglectful. I hope I'll succeed, I may very well not and end fucking them up in other ways.

I like to think I'm self aware enough to accept if I've done something wrong, own up to it and to learn from it. I hope this sets me apart from my mother and grandmother. It may very well not, and I may in 20 or so years time be finding myself on the other side and being cut out. If that happens I'll just have accept it and go along with it. I hope that it never happens like that, but life is funny and the things we've done in the past have a nasty habit of catching up to us when we least expect it. As my mother has learned.

MojitoMadness · 22/05/2014 19:17

without smothering

MinesAPintOfTea · 22/05/2014 19:50

Of course the people on the program said they were wronged, they wouldn't agree to go on national TV to argue that they shouldn't be allowed to see their gc.

I'm in the category of people who prevent access for a gp. In our case its fil, or rather his wife, who is too toxic for dh and sil to deal with so I'm certainly not letting her start on ds.

If anything happened to dh I would hope mil and the great grandparents on that side would remain part of our lives, but hell would freeze over before fil's wife got near ds.

If you asked them, we overreacted and they love us all lots, but they have caused a lot if hurt over the years.

thebodylovesspring · 22/05/2014 20:00

sarah seem your posts before and still shocked.

Off their fucking heads and so sorry your dh and his siblings had that childhood.

Her comments on your children's loss are despicable as they are inexplicable

thebodylovesspring · 22/05/2014 20:02

As I said before if my future dils/my own dds Didnt want me in my grandchildren lives I would consider it all my own fault.

HauntedNoddyCar · 22/05/2014 20:11

FIL would have you weeping with the cruelty shown him by his awful DIL. He's charming, urbane and elderly.

It's his own Shakespearian tragedy and sadly bears fuck all resemblance to anyone else's version of events.

VIPissArtist · 22/05/2014 20:13

I've said this before but if something is broken you can at least try to fix the pieces back together but if you grind something to dust then you can never repair it. It's gone

Sarah what GREAT line!

This is how I feel about my dad...ground down to nothing.

Yes sometimes grandparents are un fairly cut out, my own mother was...however it takes strength and courage to go against society and the image of the sweet Disney grandma to say NO More.

before its like we are supposed to put up with anything and take it.

VIPissArtist · 22/05/2014 20:14

whiteblossom

We can all still email itv though and tell them it was an un fair program!

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