to ask how to vote tactically today

[tisrainingagain]

in order to help keep UKIP out?

Apologies for lack of knowledge. If the European vote is a proportionately representative one (is it?), does this mean that there is no need to vote tactically?

I am ashamed to say that my region elected a BNP candidate ladt time (oh the horror)

Thanks Bigdog. I have read, talked to and seen Star Etheridge, she is, in the nicest way, I believe, a little misguided. I have spent the best part of my youth fighting for disability rights. The party have come no further since the 2010 manifesto which was in fact still on their website in January this year: To quote under section six Healthcare and the NHS:”Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people withlearning disabilities.”
After Star Etheridge had been appointed.
Oh, and her husband is spokesman for the campaign against political correctness.
Sorry Bigdog you don't frighten or intimidate me.

dawndonna I can only conclude that you're slightly odd - I have no desire to frighten or intimidate you - why on earth would I?

I see a difference between supporting congregate communities and enforcing them. On the subject Star Etheridge was quoted as saying “For some students [a special school] might be a good idea. However, to have it as a blanket policy… I think it should be up to the parents.”

Oh and I fully support the campaign against political correctness!

Oh and I fully support the campaign against political correctness

Well that tells us all we need to know about you then doesn't it.

Paul Owen and Matthew Holehouse in The Guardian and Andrew Hough in The Daily Telegraph criticized the campaign when it was revealed that Philip Davies had sent 19 letters to Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission in which he asked some "extraordinary" questions relating to race and sex discrimination

Reportedly, the most recent letter asks: "Is it offensive to black up or not, particularly if you are impersonating a black person?" Davies enquires: "why it is so offensive to black up your face, as I have never understood this", this lead some commentators to suggest that he was "lobbying for 'blacking up'"

He also asked whether it was racist for a policeman to refer to a BMW as "black man's wheels" and whether the Metropolitan Black Police Association breaches discrimination law by restricting its membership to black people, an argument recently used by the British National Party in its unsuccessful attempt to maintain its white-only membership policy

Political correctness, yes we could do without that sort of nonsense! I mean I fully support people's right to use terms like gash, Paki, spaz, retard and so on .

Jeez...

Sick to death of hearing all UKIP voters are evil or mad. So I think I will vote for them. But haven't decided yet.

You're going to vote for a bunch of racist twunts? Right.

Vivienne, you're going to give them a sympathy vote?

Have you thought about the future if everyone does the same as you?

Oh and I fully support the campaign against political correctness!
Well, that explains it all, doesn't it. You support your rights to...
well, to what exactly? To have a fantasy that the rest of the world is trying to shut down a discussion when we say people are racist, or sexist, or disablist.
I assumed from the delightful way you phrased your post about not giving a shit about my children, was trying to be intimidatory, I apologise, I honestly didn't realise it was just bad manners.

If UKIP does very well it will shake the lot of them out of their complacency. So it will achieve something. That's my opinion. Milliband is a total idiot and should never have been elected leader. Clegg is beyond insulting he's so bad. Cameron is just a pain. So they will absolutelyl have to think again.

Viviennemary - if you read through their policies, and decide that these are the people you want to represent your views, then go ahead and vote for them. But please don't vote for them just because people are being rude about them. The rudeness may be over-the-top, but that's because people are strongly against their policies, not because we are being unkind to a lovely bunch of misunderstood people.

With regard to UKIP, I thought this was really good. The Michael Rosen quote has already been on another thread, but the quote by the anonymous Facebook poster is also really good:forestunity.wordpress.com/tag/stopukip/

Vote for Green then. Why use your protest vote to vote for a load of racist, sexist, disablist xenophobes?

Your choice however...

“I sometimes fear that people might think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you…It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”

I agree too.

Fascism in the 20s and 30s in Italy and Germany was voted in by the people, legally at election time. They came to power in a democratic way after people thought "Oh at least they will shake things up a bit."

It's extremely worrying.

This is the UKIP attitude to those with disabilities.

Also good is Nigel Farage being interviewed by James O'Brien:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Rq7avG234

and

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2631581/What-need-know-Nigel-Farage-vote-Thursday-JAMES-OBRIEN-LBC-radio-presenter-Ukip-aide-tried-silence.html

I am going to vote once ds gets home. Out of interest I did google for reasons to vote UKIP and I found this www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/21-reasons-people-on-twitter-say-theyre-voting-ukip

I love this one "#WhyImVotingUkip: because no political party is standing up for the white, middle-class, heterosexual male, and that needs to change."

And this "#WhyImVotingUkip Because we must honour those who died to defeat fascism by voting for it."

Honourable mention to - "UKIP, the party for people who want to vote BNP but shop at M&S."

Good article www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/29/10-good-reasons-not-vote-ukip-nigel-farage-europe

Mentions why UKIP may not have an interest in leaving Europe at all.

Good point. Isn't the voting system for the Euro elections far more set up to benefit Farage and his cronies? If they have their way and we end up out, the UK's good old first past the post system means they'll never get anywhere.

dawndonnaagain wonder why you didn't post the second picture?

Despite its protestations, UKIP has far too strong connections with the French Front National. Yes, that's Jean-Marie Le Pen's lot - the Le Pen who has just been advocating the use of Ebola to resolve the immigration problem. Classy friends UKIP has.