to aak UKIP supporters if you would have voted for the Nazis too?

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The brilliant Michael Rosen on UKIP.

l“I sometimes fear that people might think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you…It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”

Britain was created through Immigration - even St George was Turkish!

With the dragon slayed in Libya. St George is nothing to do with being British and everything to do with Christianity.

'LRD - no, not for suggesting UKIP might possibly be cynically manipulating people, but because you suggested that people love thinking they're not being listened to and they should be. Well - yes, that's exactly what voters like to think - I mean, the very nerve of them . To call that 'pop psychology' is demeaning and insulting.'

I'm sorry, I am totally lost.

So, I said that people love thinking they're not being listened to and should be.

You agreed.

You then decided to pretend this was somehow unreasonable of votors (clue: it's not).

Then you decided that to acknowledge this is a fundamental truth of how people respond, is rude.

Could you make up your mind, please? It's just, I'd kinda like to know whether you think I'm being patronizing for describing how normal people respond to political rhetoric, or for calling normality normal.

Answers on a postcard.

(In case it helps: you seem, I think, to imagine there's something special and praiseworthy about pretending you're above manipulation or pop psychology. There isn't. It's neither big nor clever to pretend you're totally different from everyone else who votes, and in our voting system, if you really were, you'd soon find you were alone.)

I don't know anyone who doesn't want the HRA act repealed! I don't. It protects everyone, yes there have been some high profile cases of criminals being protected but they are few and far between.

"...Britain was created through Immigration..."

comedy sketch sums it up brilliantly. I love the line "...bloody Indians,coming over here inventing us a national cuisine..." LOL.

Thanks Livid I enjoyed that!

Interesting read here

UKIP are nothing like Nazis so the OP is being silly and applying Godwins law.

"I would love to see where I was born, where generations of my family were born, to not be one of the 'poorest areas in the continent'. It seems only the EU is willing to actually improve Cornwall and inject some much needed money into it."
What? Where do you think the EU gets this money from? The UK. Where is the logic in taking money from the UK, giving it to the EU, then taking some of the money back and giving it to Cornwall. Why not just give some of UK taxpayers money directly to Cornwall? The EU doesn't do anything in Britain that we couldn't do ourselves far more efficiently and with less needless bureaucracy.

All the anti-UKIP stuff is utterly fucking crazy at the moment, and it's amazing that the likes of UAF etc believe they are fighting fascism when it's their behaviour that is far more akin to fascism than any of the UKIPs policies. If you want to fight UKIP, explain to people who support them how they are wrong to think that being in the EU benefits them, and that mass immigration benefits them. Those are the reasons that the vast majority of people have gravitated towards UKIP in recent times.

I totally heart Stewart Lee. That was awesome political commentary.

Tucson - The EU doesn't do anything in Britain that we couldn't do ourselves far more efficiently and with less needless bureaucracy

So..that £24.1 million that is desperately needed to repair our county after this winters storms? "Could be as little as £823,000" instead because, er, the government realised it can't afford to give us the total. Luckily, we are getting approx £10m from the Department of Transport but the government are reluctant to fund the rest.

www.westbriton.co.uk/Council-unsure-storm-repair-funding/story-21067328-detail/story.html

And you think UKIP would do better? Could you show me any literature which states their stance on improving poor areas in the UK? I doubt you will find anything of worth if anything at all.

The question asked by the OP is absurd. UKIP aren't a credible political party but they are a protest vote. Seriously do calm down about them. The Euro election results will be driven by very different voting patterns than next years general election when in addition the FPTP system will scupper UKIP.

Maxine that is indeed. I read that on the original bloggers website the other day and can't help but feel that UKIP want to hide, or at least not draw attention to, their non-EU based policies and statements. Somewhat worrying.

The question asked by the OP is absurd. UKIP aren't a credible political party but they are a protest vote. Seriously do calm down about them.

Many historians believe that the Nazis came to power on the back of a protest vote. That doesn't make me feel very calm.

All the anti-UKIP stuff is utterly fucking crazy at the moment, and it's amazing that the likes of UAF etc believe they are fighting fascism when it's their behaviour that is far more akin to fascism than any of the UKIPs policies. If you want to fight UKIP, explain to people who support them how they are wrong to think that being in the EU benefits them, and that mass immigration benefits them. Those are the reasons that the vast majority of people have gravitated towards UKIP in recent times.

that's easy.

immigration reduces unemployment across the EU. In Greece unemployment rose and those people were able to leave Greece and gets jobs elsewhere. Brits who couldn't find employment or suitable here employment can leave and get a job in France. Putting up barriers so that workers can't get to suitable work hurts workers.

Why do you want the inefficient UK border control deciding who comes in from the EU? The market should decide that and it will do it much faster than any government bureaucrat can do. That's going to hurt the workers wanting to come into to Britain to work, the workers wanting to leave Britain to work, and business on both sides of the borders.

the UKIP is just a populist party with very little logic to their policy. they talk free market and low taxes but then decide the best thing to do is have the government intrude into the market in a massive way by stemming the flow of labour.

But Germany in the 1930s was a massively different place to the UK in 2014. The comparison isn't valid.

In addition the voting system in the UK we have precludes smaller parties gaining seats let alone power.

In simple, historical answer to you question OP - yes, almost certainly.

Likening UKIP to the Nazis is ridiculous.

Thought this might be of interest to the 'mass immigration' brigade: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/14/number-romanian-bulgarian-workers-falls-border-controls

Thanks LRD, great to see up-to-date figures on this.

Most right-wingers seem to be massively confused about the role of the free market at the moment. They whinge about Labour for wanting to control everything and reduce opportunity, but when a genuinely opportunity-friendly policy like free movement of labour within the EU is introduced they are furious.

I don't pretend I can follow economy very well, though I'm sure you're right. What did occur to me, and it's sad, is to wonder how many people heard about attitudes in the UK towards them as immigrants, and chose not to come?

That's what we need to do,invite more people here while youth unemployment is at 19.1% and the overall unemployment figures stand at 2.2 million.

No wonder UKIP are on the rise and the un-entitled poor want a change.

There was a heartbreaking thread on here a few weeks ago by, I think, an EU immigrant who had got a job in Britain and been living here for a few years, and was really worried and miserable about all the UKIP rhetoric.

Many lovely posters reassured her that she was, indeed, very welcome here... but I can quite see why she felt she might not be.

Yeah, me too, mooncup.

My mate is from Romania, and she's started up a business here, which is obviously very good for the economy and helps people get jobs - but she still gets idiots who think she must be poor and grasping and under-educated (she's also most of the way through a PhD here, which is also, obviously, paying into our economy ...).

Australia and the US are both thriving successful economies which were built on unlimited and unrestricted immigration.

Australia and the US didn't have and still don't have as much of a generous welfare system as the UK.

At its core UKIP stands for having an instant referendum on the UKs membership of the EU. Personally it would suit me to come out of the EU but still stay within the EEA.

My biggest fear is that a minority of conservative voters will switch to ukip leaving the door wide open for Milliband to slither in. Although in all reality it's the labour voters who are switching allegiance in droves.

I think that a vote for UKIP could be a vote lost for the labour party.

Most Eastern Europeans are not stupid and if they can't get work here they will go home - as many have, since 2007.

The supply of jobs is not fixed, you know (in technical terms, this is known as the 'lump of labour fallacy'). Hardworking immigrants who come over here are actually increasing the overall supply of jobs.

There is certainly a wider problem with some employers exploiting Eastern Europeans to work below the minimum wage and in hideous conditions, which distorts the labour market and means British people can't do those jobs..

And there is a skills shortage amongst the UK population, which is why some employers employ able Eastern Europeans even if their language skills aren't that great, in preference to unskilled British workers.

Oddly, I haven't noticed UKIP developing policies to deal with either of these issues.