Naked man in communal showers. Totally stark bollock naked.

[tardisgirl68]

Not an AIBU cos really the title says it all. At massive local pool with group of five girls aged 10/11. Luckily they were showering in different area, I was waiting at lockers for them to come back and get changed. Bloke in the shower, nonchalantly steps out of his trunks and made big show of rinsing them out. I did a double take, then the slow burn whilst my brain tried to process what i was seeing . I nabbed a passing lifeguard and said "look!!!!" He was (after getting dressed) frogmarched out and told if he came back in they'd get police involved. Creep. My group of girls saw nothing but that was more luck than anything. shudders

We don't know if this man was getting a sexual thrill out of being naked.
He may have been getting a thrill out of being naked. In which case he is a sexual pervert.

I didn't see the post about there being no sign at the pool at present - all Edinburgh Leisure pools ( of which the commie pool is one) have signs up so I'd be very surprised if the flagship pool doesn't have at least one, given the refurbishment means the showers are so exposed to the pool. Actually, if there was no warning then I think the staff had no right to come on heavy with the man - which is why I think there must be a sign.

I interpreted the issue more specifically so I'll rephrase my response. If no signs and common for everyone to do it/expected then no, no problem. In the situation described above then I don't think it appropriate. The reason I bring up the specifics of the pool is that the large size and open plan nature of the whole design means it's a very public exposure.

What I find even more peculiar is that some people don't feel "clean" until they're showered properly after a swim

I don't feel clean, even though, intellectually, I know I am clean. Also it's partially about getting the chlorine off rather than thinking chlorine makes things clean. It's a bit like feeling dirty if you get piss on your hands even though you know that piss is clean. That said, I would rather feel a bit minging than strip off in front of a load of clothed people because it's a shared facility and I think keeping you clothes on in front of mixed strangers at a council run facility in Britain it's a pretty acceptable and standard rule.

summerbreezer The fact that he didn't seem bothered when the lifeguard told him to leave suggests that he did know he wasn't in a male only shower. A man who had made a genuine mistake would be mortified, I'm sure.

Anyway, we are not in a court of law where his guilt has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. He wasn't prosecuted, he was just told to leave which is reasonable considering that he very probably was up to no good.

Plus you have the same style of discussion, for similar purposes.

I have already said I am not that poster. I do not know what "for similar purposes" is. I have already asked you to take it up with MNHQ if you think there is a problem.

If you must represent yourself as some sort of fount of legal knowledge, would it be at all possible for you to stop referring to Scottish law" and call it "Scots law" instead? Glanville Williams will assist you.*

Oh dear. Are you reduced to that? If it makes you happy, of course I shall.

any of you posters are being extremely naive if you think it's ok for a man not in a country where open nudism is considered acceptable for a man to be naked in a COMMUNAL shower room in front of women/little girls of a certain age.

and the fact he was escorted off the premises and and warned off the police means the general assumption (public, swimming pool) is that this is not acceptable.

It really don't think it would be too dreadful for this man to go without his naked shower.

I want to take my children swimming because it is good for them and for me, and I think it should be respected that it is my choice when they should be exposed to adult male nudity, not his.

Can you not read? Most people arent saying that its fine, they are saying thst there are lots of othe reasons for why it occurred. And some are saying it wouldnt bother them, which is entirely up to them to decide, not for you to say.

Shreiking perve and peedo is the naive reaction in this scenario. So fucking obvious

Was that directed at me grockle ?

Some men get a sexual 'thrill' out of being naked in public.

So ban men from being naked in public, even when having a shower.

Ok .... Some men (a lot of men) get a sexual 'thrill' out of looking at photos/videos of scantily clad women. So ban men from - erm, everywhere.

Some men get a sexual 'thrill' out of dead bodies, various animals, children, women, men, riding motorbikes, counting banknotes ... you name it, there's someone who gets horny for it! So we'd better ban men, eh, in case they have a sexual 'thrill'. Oh, but women get horny too, so ban them!

What a specious argument.

If our unfortunate swimmer had been sporting a purple hard-on while breathing heavily, I'm SURE OP would have mentioned it. I'm equally sure all posters would agree he should have been chucked out.

But that wasn't the case. This whole thread has been full of people hyperventilating over their imagined thought that he might have been sexually excited by his shower. You know what this makes you?

Dirty minded.

I don't think it is remotely "dirty minded" to object to men showering in the nude in communal all-ages showering areas when nobody else is

I think bringing up "purple headed heavy breathing" when nobody else has suggested it is verging on the needlessly filthy, personally

I don't think he was doing it for a sexual thrill.

I do think he knew it would be a problem for some people, and didn't care.

I don't think anyone is being naive here - some people have said that they do not see a massive problem in nudity in this context and have pointed out that just because someone takes a shower in a pool nude does not make them a kiddie fiddler or the like.

Exhibitionism is not the same as kiddly fiddling

Has anybody said it was ?

when they should be exposed to adult male nudity

It's the exposed bit I don't comprehend. You make it sound like something terrifying.
There's nothing fearsome about a man standing with his penis uncovered. If you are worried for some reason you could always look the other way, and if your children were used to seeing bodies in their natural state they wouldn't be in the least interested in just one more.

Someone who does something completely outside the social norms, does it for a reason. Either they think the social norms are wrong such as the naked rambler, or they are getting a thrill out of ignoring the social norms.

It's not exhibitionism either anyfucker

Have to continue disagreeing with you, AF. Some posters have continually raised the point that "some men" are exhibitionists as an argument against tolerance for this man's action. You supported this. Showering naked has been connected with sexual excitement by posters here. It is not a normal, healthy-minded connection to make; as I said, I'm quite sure OP would have mentioned it if this man were showing such signs. Therefore, this whole, vociferous strand of the argument has been fabricated by people who cannot envisage nakedness without a sexual motive.

The business about situational expectations - and it's not cut-and-dried, as I've found to my cost - is a different question that has nothing to do with irrational assumptions of sexual motive.

Someone who does something completely outside the social norms, does it for a reason. Either they think the social norms are wrong such as the naked rambler, or they are getting a thrill out of ignoring the social norms.

Totally agree.

where was I saying PAEDO and PERV?!

I don't want to see a naked man in communal shower with other women thanks very much.

I think if I did a poll of the men I knew and asked them "would YOU as a man strip off in a communal shower in front of another woman and some pre-teen girls?" I think they'd answer no they would not do this.

sure if he was alone, no one else was going to come in then why not.

This is where the whole communal changing room/shower scenario just falls apart because so many people can make something of it or not.

Sallyingforth it is not your call either when my children are exposed to adult male nudity.

I also talk about them being exposed to other things -it's not just relating to this that I make use of that word.

You are trying to make this something you want it to be.

I have no problem with nudity and no issue with group nudity as an adult.

But I think it should be my choice that I am only exposed to group nudity if I chose to be.

And I certainly reserve that right as far as my children are concerned.

Take a hundred decent family men and ask them would they do this.

I don't think we have to ponder too hard for the answer.

If no one is worried about kiddie fiddling and THE LIKE then why is the whole tone of the thread "Won't someone think of the children, having to see a naked man".

sallying you sound so adamant that nudity is the right way and that wanting to cover up is the wrong way.

My desire for my children to not see naked people in a communal changing room is just as valid as your desire for it to be standard practice.